Talk:Rohingya language

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This page seems like it's more about the alphabet than the actual language. There's no mention of syntax, phonology, phonetics, morphology, or even the language family. In order to be considered more of a scholarly article, at least some of the basic linguistic information (typological and genetic classification, etc.) needs to be added.


 * Have discussed classification and typology Tanzeel 18:00, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

Mono Sound section
It has been re-inserted again because Rohingya vowel sound can not be explained without reference to English vowel sound. However, sub-headings are removed and revised to clearly reveal sound camparison links between the two languages.

Dear Mr. Ragib: I do not really understand why you need to remove the Rohingya and English comparison  reference. Please explain. Rohingya Language can not be practcally explained without reference to another commonly known langauge which is in fact English. When you have removed the portion the remaining section became orphan with missing references.


 * The analysis can be done without going to such length about the English language. The section you refer makes a detailed analysis of English, and almost sounds like this is taken from a language-tutor book (the referenes to "you" in the text suggests that). I also don't agree that you can't refer to Rohingya without referring to English. The readers of *this* encyclopedia, that is, the English encyclopedia, already know English, so trying to explain English words to them is a fallacy. Thanks. --Ragib 18:35, 17 August 2005 (UTC)

Bama
Dear Mr. Ragib: What is Bama (in your addition)? Appreciated if you can explain it.


 * Well, I don't know, the Amnesty International report mentions that. I am assuming it is a language spoken in nearby regions. There are some tribal people who speak a dialect called Bama.
 * In future, please sign your messages with ~ . Thanks. --Ragib 18:16, 17 August 2005 (UTC)

Bengali Language
Dear Mr. Ragib:

Rohingya people speak a dialect of Chittagonian Bengali lanuagage or they know Bengali literature and they have a lot of interest in it even to learn Bengali Alphabets. Rohingya people study in Farsi, Urdu, Arabic, Burmese and English only. All religious studies are done in Farsi, Urdu and Arabic. The national language Burmese is used in all goverment schools and English is taught as second language in school. Rohingya people speak Burmese and Urdu only besides their own Rohingya Dialect.

Rohingya people neither understand Bengali dialect nor Bengali people understand Rohingya dialect. How many Rohingya people were put in Jail in Bangladesh because they could not pretend as Bengali because of the language. They try to Escape to other countries through Bangladesh to avoid various types of extreme persecutions in their own country Burma. It is very well known that about 250,000 Rohingyas crossed into Bangladesh border as refugees in 1978.


 * This is certainly interesting because the examples of Rohingya language words that are given here and in other places all are almost identical to the Chittagonian dialect. I am yet to find any difference between the words. Also, Rohingya language *IS* a dialect of Chittagonian, according to linguists. Please see the analysis here. The Chittagonian dialect is quite unintelligible in other regions of Bangladesh too, so that explains your reference to the Rohingyas-not-understood-issue. Finally, the reference to the relation between Rohingya dialect and Chittagonian dialect is about the language, NOT the alphabet or literature. I don't find anything mentioned in the current version of the article that hints as such. Please take a linguistic view and NOT the political view. Just to be politically correct, or to advance a cause, do not try to change language roots. Thanks. --Ragib 18:23, 17 August 2005 (UTC)


 * I was in Teknaf speaking to Rohingya in Bengali this past week. They understand me perfectly. Rohingya are Bengali. Many of them went to Myanmar in the past decades. Bengali people are trying to create a myth that Rohingya are native to Myanmar (Burma) because they have a conquest mentality. The Chittagong Hill Tracts were snatched from tribal people by invading Bengalis. This won't work in Myanmar. The danger is that the world wakes up to what happened in the CHT and takes that land away from Bangladesh.


 * The true motherland of the Rohingya was in British India. Unfortunately, after the British left, a new country of Pakistan was formed that consisted of East Pakistan and west Pakistan. Then another new country Bangladesh was formed out of East Pakistan. Unfortuantely in the mean time, the Rohingyas has been left behind in history. Thus the true homeland of the Rohingyas could now be present day India, Pakistan or Bangladesh, or they might even claim the nationality of their colonial masters, the British, and move to the UK. 109.157.169.131 (talk) 02:39, 25 August 2019 (UTC)

Chittagonian
I have created the Chittagonian language article. The description of sounds in this Rohingya language article are very good, and of course Rohingya is a dialect of Chittagonian and the descriptions given apply to both identically, so I was wondering whether I should copy and paste the sections on sounds into the chittagonian language article? Please advise, Tanzeel 17:49, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

There are Malaysia. Indonesia ... Brunei ...they are spoken the same language.. Are those the same nation... Persian language is spoken in Iran. Afghanistan ... Tajikistan ...Are those all the same nation? German language is spoken in Germany ...Luxemburg..Lencheistein... Switzerland ... Austria. Are those the same nation?In Scandinavian countries such like Norway, Sweden and Denmark are spoken the same.Are those the same nation? Spanish is spoken in 21 countries in Latin America...South and North America...Are those all from Spain or Spanish nation?? Portuguese is spoken in Brazil ...Is Brazilian from Portugal ....? Turkish is spoken in Turkey. Turkmenistan …Azerbijan..Kirgisitan.. Uzbekistan …Kazakistan Cypres.etc Are those all the same?. We know very well who is Bengali or who is Rohingya Arakani? By their dialect...language......communication....may be for some people or some nation it is difficult......to identify between ‘ donkey and horse’ so they think they are the same. We have our own dialect in communication so we can realize and identify very well which Bangladeshi people can’t follow anymore. The character of Bangladeshi people are easily identified by their language. script....communication...culture etc... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.116.101.157 (talk) 08:45, 1 March 2010 (UTC)


 * You could add English, which is spoken in many countries. Of course, the mere fact that two countries or nations use the same language does not make them identical. Nobody here disputes this, and nobody here tries to deny the Rohingya their separate identity. If they perceive themselves as separate, that is their right. Linguistic classification (or mere observation of extremely close similarity and high mutual intelligibility) does not imply anything about political imperatives. Linguistics and politics are different things. --Florian Blaschke (talk) 23:09, 3 November 2012 (UTC)

Rewrite
I have done a major rewrite to eliminate much (though far from all) of the unintelligible or misleading descriptions; I have also tried to eliminate the POV problem indicated by the previous commenter. To whoever wrote the long description of sounds I have deleted: I am sorry, I know you put a lot of work into it, but it was completely useless. I have studied many languages (and have a graduate degree in linguistics, for what that's worth) and am used to deciphering unprofessional descriptions, but I could not make head nor tail of such terms as "straight sound formations and circular sound formations," "normal (soft) mode or stressed (hard) mode," and "four ways of extending the sound." A phonology section will have to be added by someone who knows how to use IPA and describe sounds without vague references to English (which is irrelevant to Rohingya). I have basically left the grammar section alone, although it is very badly done, because 1) some information can be gotten from it and 2) I ran out of steam. But again, someone will have to revise it using accepted terminology and methods. (For instance, talk of "round-fatty" and "flat-thin" objects is not very helpful without a thorough discussion of noun classification.) Languagehat (talk) 13:36, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

More rewrite
This article still needs a lot of work. The relationship of this language/dialect to Chittagonian must be established, since it seems they are mutually intelligible. Ethnologue has recently decided to classify cit and rhg as 2 different languages; however, we need scholarly sources on this. Also, there has to be IPA or a form of Indic transliteration in this article, preferably the former; the current orthography used cannot possibly be standard or even widespread as Rohingya is mostly a spoken language. I'm not even sure this orthography needs elaboration. The grammar section should also be condensed. I'm planning on working on this rewrite, but if anyone has access to reliable sources then I'd love their help. Mar de Sin  Speak up!  04:01, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

I am conducting a field methods class on Rohingya. We begin this coming Tuesday. We can add materials as we build our analysis. For starters, just listening to the youtube.com videos about vowels in Rohingya I can hear that this is a tone language and the "accented" vowels have a higher tone than the "unaccented" vowels. The language also contrasts long and short vowels and oral and nasal vowels. The long vowels and diphthongs can carry contour tones. The possibilities are: neutral, rising, and falling. Either I or a student from the class could provide further information as the semester progresses. I understand we are not allowed however to do original research, so must our results first be published somewhere so we can cite them? Photeini (talk) 10:02, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
 * There simply doesn't seem to be published material on this; I've checked major university libraries and WorldCat. However, I'm aware that Rohingya is really similar to Chittagongian (which has more published material but still not enough).  If you still have the results of your class, you could publish it onto a website.  As long as they are scholarly and use IPA, we could make use of it instead of what is currently on here.  Otherwise, I'm probably going to rewrite this as a much shorter article.  Bʌsʌwʌʟʌ   Speak up!  23:16, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

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Rohingya sample
I was wondering whether there is any English translation available. The resources on this language are undoubtedly not very large, due to the relatively small number of speakers and Burmese government repression. Omniglot has no sample Rohingya text (as of now). --188.167.141.68 (talk) 13:11, 28 August 2017 (UTC)


 * Emotion, 103.242.21.235 (talk) 05:53, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

Common ancestor.
When was the common ancestor of Chittagonian and "Rohingya"? --Yomal Sidoroff-Biarmskii (talk) 01:49, 29 November 2017 (UTC)

Percentage.
What percentage of Rakhine Bengalis actually speak Rohingya compared to other Bengali dialects? --Yomal Sidoroff-Biarmskii (talk) 01:54, 29 November 2017 (UTC)

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very closed people
I'm guessing "used to very closed people" in the verb section is supposed to be "very intimate/familiar"? Matthewmorrone1 (talk) 15:14, 4 May 2021 (UTC)

rohingya
i like the langueged 202.191.106.93 (talk) 10:44, 22 October 2023 (UTC)