Talk:Roland Corporation/Archives/2019

needs substantial work
(the too-vast product list has been deleted)

Start with the "noteworthy products" list. I'm a Roland fan, but they are in the habit of shoving devices out that don't connect with the buying public (for various reasons). A release year is moderately helpful, but better still would be a final year as well. Would addition of MSRP (as discovered) improve this list?

(And while I'm looking at it, I really doubt that every Roland product needs to also begin with the word "Roland.")

Issues abound in this section. Is the list meant to be "noteworthy"... or comprehensive? (hint: that's two entirely different missions.) If the former, gaps are readily observable, such as the Alpha Juno family (no mention of the HS-10 or MKS-50).

Large swathes are awkwardly organized, particularly the bits for 1992 and 2004. Comments such as "new & affordable" or "popular" are blatant editorializing unless attributed properly. The 2014 chunk is ghastly. Is something a "successor" if it's an addition to a series? Is it necessary to comment on a particular device if said device has its own entire article? The unattributed adsheet quote about SR-JV80 expansion boards can be pruned, or sent off as a stub.

Though there's a 2012 tag calling to turn this list into prose, it's eye-killing enough as it is, and I cannot see where making it chirpy and chatty represents improvement.

I'd argue that since so many products in this list have their own articles, the article would be improved by removing the entire section to its own "List of" entry. Without it, the entire article about Roland Corporation is less than 1,000 words; perhaps without the daunting bulk of the "Timeline," someone might eventually be inspired to turn this into an actual article.

FFI: Sound On Sound, "The History of Roland" Part 1: 1930-1978 Part 2: 1979-1985 Part 3: 1986-1991 Part 4: 1992-1997 Part 5: 1998-2004 Weeb Dingle (talk) 05:23, 28 February 2017 (UTC)


 * Support split of list to separate article, similar to List of Korg products. - Ryk72 'c.s.n.s.' 14:47, 28 February 2017 (UTC)


 * I've taken a first pass at turning that list into something actually readable. In another phase or two, I will begin pruning entries that do not appear "noteworthy," beginning with those most clearly pointless; for instance, I find it unlikely that every model of Jazz Chorus amp is historically significant.


 * Except for a couple of entries on this list, no discernible effort has been made in the article to address Roland's extensive efforts in "vinyl cutters, thermal transfer printer/cutters, wide-format inkjet printers and printer/cutters, 3D scanners and milling devices, and engravers" through Roland DG. Weeb Dingle (talk) 07:08, 28 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Oh, yeh -- should anyone step up, per my "release year is moderately helpful, but better still would be a final year as well" idea, I've located a very comprehensive listing of dates -- http://www.rolandmuseum.de/index.php?l=en -- that offer potential to create a useful and thoroughgoing reference list, as opposed to the "Some Features of Possible Interest" overview implied by noteworthiness. Which of these is more appropriate to the Wikipedia mission? both, perhaps? Weeb Dingle (talk) 07:28, 28 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Upon even more consideration, I'm stuck on the product timeline. If the chaff were largely removed, the listing would gain Noteworthy, but then be brief enough to not overwhelm the article. If left largely as is, it's not noteworthy enough to deserve splitting off. I'll back-burner it for some sleepless night. Weeb Dingle (talk) 02:32, 11 June 2017 (UTC)