Talk:Romániço

New article
I discovered this language today by accident while examining Periodic Table of the Elements. I am starting the development of the article with some basic information. I have this page on my watchlist, so please post any comments here. -- Wavelength (talk) 23:08, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

I have just discovered that Blueprints for Babel: Romániço has (at the bottom of the page) a link to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Románico (spelled without a cedilla), which was deleted for non-notability. However, Google reports over a million pages with "Romániço" (spelled with a cedilla). -- Wavelength (talk) 23:33, 30 August 2009 (UTC)


 * On closer inspection, I find that most of the search results that I see displayed by Google have the word spelled without the cedilla, so evidently the notability is less than what it first appears to be. -- Wavelength (talk) 00:01, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

Please see http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Románico and http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Talk:Románico. The language should be discussed in a different entry, one having the name spelled with a cedilla. -- Wavelength (talk) 23:56, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

Old article
An article on this conlang previously existed at Románico. I've merged the page histories.

Is there any reason to think that this is anything other than a personal project used by one person? kwami (talk) 00:03, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
 * The second external link refers to a small circle of juveniles in the early history of its development, and possibly establishes a small degree of notability in the section "Conclusion" three fifths of the way down the main page. -- Wavelength (talk) 01:11, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Here is that link: Blueprints for Babel: Romániço. -- Wavelength (talk) 16:40, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

Spelling differences
According to the introduction at Blueprints for Babel: Romániço, the creators of the language called it originally "Romanico" and later "Romániço". Other spelling differences can be seen between Onomástico and Onomastikana Nominaro Románica. (The two latter pages link respectively to Romániço and Blueprints for Babel: Romániço, but I have been unsuccessful in my search for reverse links: a link from Romániço to Onomástico and a link from Blueprints for Babel: Romániço to Onomastikana Nominaro Románica). -- Wavelength (talk) 18:47, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

Notability
Deletionpedia has an article about "Románico" (with what appears to be an old spelling). Also, the language is indexed in some Internet directories, including two major ones, namely the Open Directory Project and Google Directory. -- Wavelength (talk) 20:01, 1 September 2009 (UTC) [I am expanding my message. -- Wavelength (talk) 21:09, 2 September 2009 (UTC)] The article in Deletionpedia is here. -- Wavelength (talk) 19:22, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Open Directory - Science: Social Sciences: Linguistics: Languages: Constructed: International Auxiliary
 * Google Directory - Science &gt; Social Sciences &gt; Linguistics &gt; Languages &gt; Constructed &gt; International Auxiliary


 * That article has now been undeleted into the page history of this article. kwami (talk) 21:58, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

E-mail address for additional information
From Romániço, clicking on the question mark opens Romániço Frequently Asked Questions, which says: "Have other questions? Ask Ούτις!" That Greek name is a link for sending e-mail messages to utis (at) romaniczo (dot) com. -- Wavelength (talk) 21:13, 1 September 2009 (UTC) [I revised the format of the e-mail address to protect its owner against automated spam. -- Wavelength (talk) 21:30, 1 September 2009 (UTC)]

Romanica language
The Romániço language is not be confused with the Romanica language. -- Wavelength (talk) 15:07, 4 September 2009 (UTC) [I am striking out the first external link (in Belarusian and English), because it does not appear to mention the Romanica language. -- Wavelength (talk) 15:38, 4 September 2009 (UTC)]
 * Languages of the world - Constructed languages (in English)
 * Romanica - Open Dictionary (in English)
 * romanica - Wikizionario (in Italian)
 * Romanica - Wikipedia (in Italian)
 * Romanica - Vikipedio (in Esperanto)
 * NationMaster - Encyclopedia: Romanica language (in English)

Romana language
The Romániço language is not be confused with the Romana language, which in turn is not to be confused with the Romanian language (called in Romanian Limba română). The official home page of the Romana language is Lingua Romana. -- Wavelength (talk) 15:11, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

Romanova language
Romániço is not be confused with the Romanova language, whose ISO 639-3 language code is rmv. (Romanova is not to be confused with Nova Roma). More information can be found at Basic Romanova-English Dictionary. -- Wavelength (talk) 15:17, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

The external link mentioned above is apparently now inaccessible, but readers can access Romanova - International Auxiliary Languages. This came to my attention via a recent change by another editor. —Wavelength (talk) 21:40, 3 June 2012 (UTC)

Alan Reed Libert
Apparently, LINGUIST List has incorrectly identified the university where Alan Reed Libert is a professor of Linguistics. It shows his e-mail address as being associated with the University of Newcastle, Australia, but it shows his institution as University of Newcastle upon Tyne, which is in England. The profile of Alan Libert (presumably the same person) on the website of the University of Newcastle, Australia, shows his e-mail address as being associated with that university in Australia. -- Wavelength (talk) 18:09, 4 September 2009 (UTC)


 * People often have more than one affiliation, or are officially affiliated w one U while working temporarily at another. We'd need more than an email address to conclude linglist got it wrong. kwami (talk) 21:54, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

Daughters of Esperanto (ISBN 3895867489)
I have checked ISBN 3895867489 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:BookSources/3895867489) and I have found the book Daughters of Esperanto to be registered in the following places. -- Wavelength (talk) 21:43, 8 September 2009 (UTC) [I am revising the external link for the last entry.--Wavelength (talk) 22:06, 8 September 2009 (UTC)]
 * Daughters of Esperanto [WorldCat.org] at WorldCat
 * isbn:3895867489 - Google Books at Google Book Search
 * aNobii: Search at aNobii
 * Libraries Australia Search | Summary Search Results at Australian National University
 * The University of Newcastle /All Locations at University of Newcastle, Australia
 * UB Karlsruhe: Karlsruhe Virtual Catalog (KVK english): Search results at Karlsruher Virtueller Katalog
 * Gesamtkatalog - Vollanzeige at Österreichischer Bibliothekenverbund Gesamtkatalog in Austria
 * BnF catalogue g&eacute;n&eacute;ral - Notice bibliographique at Bibliothèque nationale de France
 * GVK - Gemeinsamer Verbundkatalog - 2.1 at GVK - Gemeinsamer Verbundkatalog - 2.1 in Germany
 * MetaLib&#174; - MetaSuche - Anzeige der Suchergebnisse at de:Informationsverbund Deutschschweiz in Switzerland
 * EBI01 - Indexliste (IND) at NEBIS - Library catalog in Switzerland
 * University of Toronto Library Catalogue at University of Toronto
 * iLink BYU Online Catalog at Brigham Young University
 * Horizon Information Portal at Iowa State University
 * OhioLINK at OhioLINK
 * Ohio State /All Locations at Ohio State University
 * Search Results - InfoHawk Catalog - InfoHawk - The University of Iowa Libraries at University of Iowa
 * Mirlyn - Ann Arbor and Flint - Full Record at University of Michigan
 * Daughters of Esperanto [University of Washington Libraries] at University of Washington
 * Brief Record (Library of Congress Online Catalog) at Library of Congress
 * BookFinder.com: Search Results (Matching Books) at BookFinder.com

Daughters of Esperanto (ISBN 978-3895867484)
I have checked ISBN 978-3895867484 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:BookSources/9783895867484) and I have found the book Daughters of Esperanto to be registered in the following places. -- Wavelength (talk) 21:50, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
 * [http://kvk.ubka.uni-karlsruhe.de/hylib-bin/kvk/nph-kvk2.cgi?maske=kvk-last&title=UB+Karlsruhe%3A+Karlsruhe+Virtual+Catalog+KVK+%3A+Search+results&header=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ubka.uni-karlsruhe.de%2Fkvk%2Fkvk%2Fkvk-header_en_2007_07.html&spacer=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ubka.uni-karlsruhe.de%2Fkvk%2Fkvk%2Fkvk-spacer_en_2007_07.html&footer=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ubka.uni-karlsruhe.de%2Fkvk%2Fkvk%2Fkvk-footer_en_2008_01.html&lang=en&css=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ubka.uni-karlsruhe.de%2Fkvk%2Fkvk%2Fkvk-neu2.css&input-charset=utf-8&kvk-session=ORFPYRDU&ALL=&TI=daughters+of+esperanto&PY=&AU=&SB=9783895867484&CI=&SS=&ST=&PU=&kataloge=SWB&kataloge=BVB&kataloge=NRW&kataloge=HEBIS&kataloge=HEBIS_RETRO&kataloge=KOBV&kataloge=GBV&kataloge=DDB&kataloge=DMA&kataloge=STABI_BERLIN&kataloge=TIB&kataloge=OEVK_GBV&kataloge=VD16&kataloge=VD17&kataloge=ZDB&kataloge=BIBOPAC&kataloge=LBOE&kataloge=OENB_1501&kataloge=OENB_1930&kataloge=OENB_1992&kataloge=HELVETICAT&kataloge=BASEL&kataloge=ZUERICH&kataloge=ETH&kataloge=VKCH_RERO&kataloge=DFG_EBOOKS&kataloge=DFG_AUFSAETZE&kataloge=NLAU&kataloge=CISTI&kataloge=NLCA&kataloge=NB_TSCHECHIEN&kataloge=DAENEMARK_REX&kataloge=EROMM&kataloge=UBHS&kataloge=BNF_PARIS&kataloge=ABES&kataloge=NB_UNGARN&kataloge=VERBUND_ISRAEL&kataloge=ITALIEN_VERBUND&kataloge=ITALIEN_SERIALS&kataloge=NB_NIEDERLANDE&kataloge=VERBUND_NORWEGEN&kataloge=NB_POLEN&kataloge=PORTUGAL&kataloge=STAATSBIB_RUSSLAND&kataloge=BNE&kataloge=REBIUN&kataloge=VERBUND_SCHWEDEN&kataloge=COPAC&kataloge=BL&kataloge=LOC_DIREKT&kataloge=NLM&kataloge=WORLDCAT&kataloge=ABEBOOKS&kataloge=AMAZON_DE&kataloge=ANTIQUARIO&kataloge=AMAZON_US&kataloge=BOOKLOOKER&kataloge=KNO&kataloge=LIBRI&kataloge=ZVAB&target=_blank&Timeout=120 UB Karlsruhe: Karlsruhe Virtual Catalog KVK : Search results] at UB Karlsruhe: Karlsruhe Virtual Catalog KVK : English
 * Daughters of Esperanto [WorldCat.org] at WorldCat
 * isbn:9783895867484 - Google Books at Google Book Search
 * aNobii: Search at aNobii
 * Daughters of Esperanto [WorldCat.org] at WorldCat
 * Libraries Australia Search | Summary Search Results at Australian National University
 * The University of Newcastle /All Locations at University of Newcastle, Australia
 * UB Karlsruhe: Karlsruhe Virtual Catalog (KVK english): Search results at Karlsruher Virtueller Katalog
 * Gesamtkatalog - Vollanzeige at Österreichischer Bibliothekenverbund Gesamtkatalog in Austria
 * BnF catalogue g&eacute;n&eacute;ral - Notice bibliographique at Bibliothèque nationale de France
 * GVK - Gemeinsamer Verbundkatalog - 2.1 at GVK - Gemeinsamer Verbundkatalog - 2.1 in Germany
 * OPC4 - results/titledata at University of Groningen in the Netherlands
 * MetaLib&#174; - MetaSuche - Anzeige der Suchergebnisse at de:Informationsverbund Deutschschweiz in Switzerland
 * EBI01 - Indexliste (IND) at NEBIS - Library catalog in Switzerland
 * University of Toronto Library Catalogue at University of Toronto
 * Search Results at University of British Columbia

AfD
The Afd was closed as "no consensus" for reasons I won't have to understand, because no one said "keep as article". The maximum level of existence granted by any !voting participant was to keep it as redirect to Esperantido, or am I mistaken? –Austronesier (talk) 19:08, 27 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Agreed, I've implemented the redirect. Psiĥedelisto (talk • contribs) please always ping! 19:16, 27 July 2020 (UTC)


 * Indeed, I have to admit I felt kind of surprised about this "no consensus", because indeed, a redirect is the only sensible solution in this case. Thanks for implementing it! &mdash;IJzeren Jan Uszkiełtu?  20:43, 27 July 2020 (UTC)