Talk:Roman Gradual

Merge to Gradual?
Is there enough material available about this article's subject to warranty its own article? Would be it serve the reader better to incorporate this into the article on Gradual where already exists a reference to modern use? We can always un-merge later if it turns out more material comes to light. A ntv (talk) 18:18, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

There certainly is plenty of information concerning this article, it's just a matter of working out the copyright details. I think the best solution is to make this article into a stub until this information can be gathered. My reasoning is that I'm planning to link the potential stub article into an expansion of the General Instruction of the Roman Missal article, because there are points in that document which refer to the 1974 Roman Gradual. Making readers find the 1974 Roman Gradual material within the general Gradual article after coming from a link in the General Instruction of the Roman Missal article might be a bit confusing. Smak 84 (talk) 06:17, 9 December 2008 (UTC)


 * 1974 edition is simply an edition of the Gradual, as there have been lots in the past. There is no need to keep it separated. The only reason to split is if Article Gradual is too long, that it is not now. If it will be too long we can always split it. I'm going to merge it with Gradual as a section. We can always un-merge later if it turns out more material comes to be ready. If you want we can wait some days you to add lots of material. Remember that this is an encyclopedia, not a repository of texts. A ntv (talk) 06:41, 9 December 2008 (UTC)


 * If there is a merge, then Graduale Romanum should be turned into a redirect --Rumping (talk) 09:49, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

When this page was created, the intention was to help people reading the General Instruction of the Roman Missal understand what the term "Roman Gradual" in rubrics referred to. While it could easily be referenced in the Gradual article, I think it warrants its own page as to keep it distinct from other previous editions of the Graduale Romanum (since it is the edition currently in force in the Roman Catholic Church). Smak 84 (talk) 21:28, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

Besides, the Gradual is a part of the Mass, the Graduale Romanum is a book which contains the Gradual (i.e. the music for the Gradual) and other chants occurring during Mass. If anything, the article ought to me made more general (instead of specifying a year, just name the article Roman Gradual instead of 1974 Roman Gradual) so other editions of this book can be discussed. Smak 84 (talk) 22:04, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

The article Gradual is about the chant, not the book. The book deserves its own article, especially since it contains many more chants than the Gradual chant. One would not merge Roman Missal with Mass. But there is no need for a separate article on the 1974 Roman Gradual, any more than there would be for a separate article onh the 2002 Roman Missal. This article should become one on the Roman Gradual in general. If the reason for the creation of the article was, as stated above, the reference in the General Instruction of the Roman Missal to the Roman Gradual, bear in mind that the General Instruction said "the Roman Gradual", not "the 1974 Roman Gradual". Lima (talk) 14:01, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

I have now expanded the article. Lima (talk) 15:52, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

Requested move

 * The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section. 

The result of the move request was move. Jafeluv (talk) 17:19, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

1974 Roman Gradual → Roman Gradual &mdash; The article is about the Roman Gradual, not just about the 1974 edition of the publication. Lima (talk) 15:52, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

Please also turn Graduale Romanum into a redirect to Roman Gradual: "Graduale Romanum" is not ambiguous: it does not mean the chant after the reading. Lima (talk) 15:52, 2 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Support per nom. The disambiguation page currently at Roman Gradual should disappear, and converse hatnotes be added on the pages Gradual and Roman Gradual. --Bejnar (talk) 19:30, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I agree with Lima's proposal A ntv (talk) 19:46, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Roman graduale
Be sure to mention that the superscript above all this is music, and texts! Organace (talk) 16:45, 22 May 2021 (UTC)