Talk:Romanesco broccoli

Delete Romanescu broccoli page
I believe that "Romanescu" is simply a misspelling. The usage does not occur among knowledgeable North Americans. Does it elsewhere? The word, "Romanesco" is of Italian origin, as is the vegetable. "Romanescu" is a Romanian surname that has no connection with this vegetable. Phytism 21:40, 4 August 2007 (UTC)


 * I'd have to agree with that. I'm not a taxonomic expert, or a botanist, but in the grocery stores in South Africa, its sold as Romanesco. Also, if you search for Romanescu on the International Society for Horticultural Science, there is nothing on Romanescu. Biochemza 17:29, 21 August 2007 (UTC)


 * The point is somewhat moot as the Romanescu page is currently a redirect to this one. WLU 20:43, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Debate?
I'd be interested in seeing evidence of an academic debate about the classification of Romanesco broccoli. There are dozens of cole crops with flower heads in southern Italy: broccoli, cauliflower, romanesco, sprouting broccoli, and a bunch of oddities rarely seen elsewhere. The farmers, sellers and consumers there don't worry too much about classifying them into groups. In recent decades there has been a lot of research into the order in which the different types developed, that is, which is the derived form. As far as our modern pigeonholes for these vegetables, Romanesco is a cauliflower. The criterion is how much the reproductive organs develop, and Romanesco fits the cauliflower definition perfectly.

Since I believe it misrepresents the state of Brassica oleracea taxonomy, I have deleted the following, "and since then there has been an ongoing debate on how it should be classified." Phytism 18:23, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

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Coral Broccoli
Re:71.227.192.199 Where is this known as "Coral Broccoli"? If it is just a new marketing idea at a coupe farmers markets, I think it's worth deleting or de-emphasizing. It's not a name that's used in the horticulture. Phytism (talk) 22:02, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Since no further evidence for regular usage of the term has appeared, and I can't find any myself, I'm deleting the reference. Phytism (talk) 22:03, 18 February 2011 (UTC)


 * I can see that "coral broccoli" does exist as a term for this vegetable: Google gives six and a half thousand finds for that terminology. That's not so much, but that name is in use. Invertzoo (talk) 13:05, 29 October 2013 (UTC)

Romanesco
I was not able to make the move myself, but I would recommend that this article be called simply Romanesco. As far as I can tell, that seems to be the most common name in use right now for this vegetable, and I feel that it is a less ambiguous name since the true origin of Romanesco is not known -- did it arise as a variant form of brocolli, or not? I think it tends to be called a "cauliflower" only because it is a large compact flower bud. (BTW, I do know that all the cabbage-type vegetables are thought to be the same species Brassica oleracea, but they are a very diverse group nonetheless). Best, Invertzoo (talk) 13:01, 29 October 2013 (UTC)

unclear wording/is the term "fibonacci number" meaningful if used in single form?
in the Decsription section this sentence "The number of spirals on the head of Romanesco broccoli is a Fibonacci number.[1]" may have several issues: 1) it seems unclear what is the "number of spirals" (since there is ONE spiral, made up of SOME bumps that are spirals themselves, and since they are made up as well from proportionally smaller spirals with similar buildup, theoretically the overall number of spirals should tend towards INFINITE - so which one of these three and is it defineable at all?), 2) if being a "Fibonacci number" means that it can be found in the Fibonacci row - is it a meaningful statement to say so? (e.g.: the number of New York Satues of Liberty is a Fibonacci number -gosh, good to know...) isnt being Fibonacci something inherently about the relation between a series of numbers? (thus not to be used in single form, except some special cases like while speaking about a row of numbers and pointing at individual ones...), 3) the reference [1] seems to speak about Fibonacci numbers in plural, not using this term as the quoted sentence does.

bottomline: this sentence probably could be reworded to make clear what it wants to mean. 178.164.137.95 (talk) 16:50, 15 September 2014 (UTC)

Logarithmic spiral
I do not see any clear evidence for the characterization of the pattern of broccoli buds as forming a logarithmic spiral (neither on the page itself, nor in any of the references). I'm not quite sure what to do about it, but if someone can point out where it is shown that it indeed forms such a spiral (and how), I guess that would solve the issue. If not, then I would suggest removing any mention of the logarithmic spiral. Jaspervdg (talk) 10:00, 21 April 2015 (UTC)

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what is the fractal dimension of this
i dont know the fractal dimension of this — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.135.99.195 (talk) 01:16, 9 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Someone did attempt to calculate this for broccoli, not necessarily for romanesco broccoli: Fractal Dimension of Broccoli. -- Evilninja (talk) 09:38, 9 August 2023 (UTC)