Talk:Romanian Air Corps

Milhist B-class
I had a look at the article regarding MIHLIST B-class assessment request. There are some referencing issues: Nice work overall.--Tomobe03 (talk) 13:48, 30 November 2021 (UTC)
 * The last part of the first bullet in the Second Balkan War (1913) subsection needs a reference
 * Referencing of the bulleted lists in Campaign of 1917 and Campaign of 1918 subsections is unclear. There is reference in the final item of the two lists, but it appears unclear if that refers to the item or the list. If the former is the case, other items (except one) are missing references, if the latter is the case, I'd suggest you to make the reference clearer (e.g. by placing the reference in the introductory sentence "From January 1918, the Aeronautical Groups were organized as such:", or placing everything in a table or any other preferred method).
 * The penultimate paragraph of the War of 1919 section lacks references
 * Roundels section lacks references
 * Some of the information presented in notes may need referencing, for ex. "These were converted from Bristol-Coandă monoplanes." and a ref to a source giving the alternate spelling.


 * -The source/sources at the end of each bullet list are supposed to apply for the list as a whole, I moved them at the beginning of each list to clear the confusion (for some reason, I thought it would be better to keep them at the end, oops..).
 * -Added the reference I missed for that paragraph in the War of 1919 section.
 * -Added references for 2 of the notes (where needed). But not sure I understand what you mean by "ref to a source giving the alternate spelling". Just to clear any confusion, here's what the cited source says (page 10 to be exact or page 12 of the pdf): "7 "Bristol-Coandă Military" with 80 hp engines, numbers 118, 147, 148, 149, 152, 188, and 151 an airplane equipped with bomb launching equipment. These monoplane aircraft were converted to biplanes and will be called "T.B.8"." On the same page these aircraft are listed again as "Bristol-Coandă Tractor" (so Bristol T.B.8, after the conversion).
 * -Regarding the roundels, the information there comes from photos and not sure how I can actually cite a photo, that's why I placed an image of a Romanian N11, to give an example of how the French overpainted roundels (the ones with the light blue) look like. Likewise, in the Second Balkan War section, a Blériot 11 with the darker blue roundel can be seen. The 1916 roundel also comes from photos (these are seen in Valeriu Avram's 2018 book used throughout the article, I could cite that but again, only from photos), a photo with that specific roundel can be seen online as well, here. I had a text source for the overpainted markings but it was from theaerodrome (this one) but after I saw a whole discussion about the site, I chose to remove it. Again, not really needed as the actual source comes from original photographs, other than that there are no dedicated books to the markings/roundels and emblems of the RAC.


 * And thank you for the assessment! Alin2808 (talk) 23:48, 30 November 2021 (UTC)


 * No problem. Regarding referencing of roundels - the images themselves should have source information provided at the Commons where they are uploaded so that has nothing to do with the article itself. The information presented in the caption should either be already referenced in the article prose and merely repeated in the caption, or referenced to a source where that information comes from - unless it is a simple description of the image. For example, where a caption introduces information that french roundels were just overpainted with yellow, and that information is not supported by other cites, it should be referenced separately in the caption. It would be better yet if that is someplace in the prose. (At least I did not see that one.)--Tomobe03 (talk) 09:47, 1 December 2021 (UTC)


 * I would re-add the reference from theaerodrome for the overpainted roundels, problem is that it might be taken down as "not WP:RS", however in this case it is very much reliable as it is confirmed by original photographs. About the other roundels, again, the question is how would I add a source that doesn't talk about roundels but only shows original photos with those roundels? I could give the source where those photos were presented (like page numbers from the book) or maybe add a note saying "See original photographs" and then add the source to the specific note.
 * As for integrating this information in the article itself, I can't see where that would fit as the roundels have a specific section and again as said above. Alin2808 (talk) 10:52, 1 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Is the photo containing the image of the roundel at the Commons? If yes, it will have source there and no action is needed in the article. Otherwise, I assume the photo is published someplace (website, book etc.) so just reference that site/book.--Tomobe03 (talk) 11:15, 1 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Ignore the above. The roundel images are certainly at the Commons, never mind that. Just reference the information that the French roundels were kept and other such information presented only in the captions.--Tomobe03 (talk) 11:17, 1 December 2021 (UTC)


 * Alright, added references for the 1916 roundel and the French roundel (to the pages of the book where those can be clearly seen in photos). Also did a little trick in order to re-add that aerodrome reference without it being taken down (added it to the description of the roundel on wikimedia), because as said previously, in this case theaerodrome is a reliable source. Alin2808 (talk) 18:47, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

Gun sychronization gear
Hello,

In my brushes with Austro-Hungarian aviation, I have noticed that gun pods were mounted on the upper wings so gunfire would clear the propeller. I am not sure the Austrians ever figured out gun sychronization or interrupter gear, and I also wonder about the Romanians. Did either Romanians or Austrians ever make planes with sychronized guns? The subject probably should be covered in this article, and in any article on the A-H Aviation Troops.Georgejdorner (talk) 02:52, 21 December 2021 (UTC)


 * The Austrians did have synchronization systems: See here. As for the Romanians, since the aircraft that the RAC used were imported, those came with synchronization systems, I'm guessing both French and British ones. Though by the end of the war and into 1919, there was a slight lack of systems available. In Valeriu Avram's 2018 book, the one I used for the article, a picture of a Strutter with what appears to be a top wing mounted Lewis and no synchronized gun is shown. According to the description of said photograph, it was taken at Debrecen, in Hungary, in 1919.
 * As for Romanian designed interrupter gears, there's the "Constantinesco-Colley" (or C.C.) system that George Constantinescu made in Britain. Constantinescu's system was used in Romania as well, but after the war. Alin2808 (talk) 19:35, 21 December 2021 (UTC)
 * I was rather surprised to see A-H Albatros D.IIIs with obviously unsynchronized guns in photos. I expected the Germans would have left synchronized gear in the exported planes.Georgejdorner (talk) 22:57, 2 January 2022 (UTC)
 * As far as I'm aware, all A-H Albatros D.IIIs were Oeffag-built, not supplied by Germany. Though, even if the Germans delivered Albatros airplanes with synchronization gears to Austria-Hungary, considering the reliability of those gears they would've likely needed replacement over time, and producing them took time. Anyway, if you want to, we can continue the discussion on one of our talk pages so we can keep the talk page of the article related to the article only. Alin2808 (talk) 01:07, 3 January 2022 (UTC)

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