Talk:Romulan starship

Norexan class
The Norexan class ships have no measured capacity, and the Valdore was disabled through a tactical maneuver by the reman warship.

The second, unnamed Norexan in the scene was only presumably destroyed.

Bird-of-Prey
The "Romulan Bird of Prey" has never been the official name for that craft. The name was spawned from fandom and should be identified as such. I challenge anyone to find an example of any character on Star Trek referring to any Romulan vessel as a "Bird of Prey." If anything, the ENT: Minefield ship should be called a "Warbird" since that name was actually used later on in the series. And if what Paramount says is irrelevent, then so is Wikipedia in my view.Darin Wagner 19:01, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Lieutenant Stiles stated in TOS episode Balance of Terror that the ship was "painted like a large bird-of-prey." - The three words have been stated on screen that is what we have; I challenge you to present something better here. thanks/Fenton, Matthew Lexic Dark 52278 Alpha 771 19:05, 1 December 2006 (UTC)


 * On startrek.com, the Romulan ships are identified as "bird-of-prey". I take that to mean that the phrase has become canon. -Captain Jean-Luc Fontaine

Negative. In order for it to be considered "canon" by Paramount, it has to appear on live action screen at the very least. This has been stated in their encyclopedias as well as their technical manuals. The only exceptions they have officially made to this policy were the Janeway novels written by Jeri Taylor, since she was a contributing force in the creation of that character. "Romulan Bird-of-Prey" has not used in any live-action Star Trek production and is thus not a canon term, by the rules set forth by Paramount. The fact that the third party administrators of the startrek.com website have chosen to use the term does not alter Paramount's policy concerning continuity and canon. Darin Wagner 19:22, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

Removed
Contrary to the above discussion, I removed:
 * 'Bird of Prey' terminology
 * No Romulan ship has ever been identified on live-action screen as a "Bird of Prey." Lieutenant Stiles stated in TOS episode "Balance of Terror" that the ship was "painted like a large bird-of-prey." However, Star Trek merchandise (often models and action figures) has been labeled with the name "Romulan Bird of Prey". Additionally, the term is undoubtedly the origin of the ship class 'Bird of Prey', as the Klingon ship of the same name was introduced long after the Romulan ship appeared, and Klingon Birds of Prey possess the same abilities as their Romulan counterparts, strongly implying that the Romulan ship is the origin of the term. The term "Romulan Bird of Prey" therefore falls somewhere between fanon and canon, as the ships have not been explicitly referred to as such by Paramount.

This is not entirely true, it did make it into canon. See at Memory Alpha. --Gvsualan (talk) 05:42, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

22nd century vs. 2260s
Someone completely removed the section about the 2260s Bird-of-Prey seen in ENT; as a result, the non-free image being used to illustrate what the 22nd century BoP looked like has since been deleted. I just want to reiterate, 22nd century means 2101 to 2200. So these two BoPs are not the same. They share a lot of similarities and the design of the 22nd century BoP was obviously inspired by the BoP seen in TOS, but they're two distinct ship types. When I get the time, I will add images of each one to the article to illustrate the differences. I just don't want anyone to it out this time around.--Subversive Sound (talk) 22:37, 30 January 2010 (UTC)

Split
I have suggested to split Norexan and D'deridex class vessel in different pages. If nobody has problem wiht this, I will proceedthis way in a few days. --Luca Mauri 11:25, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Since I did not get any negative response to my proposal, I procedeed a few minutes ago.


 * You can now find D'deridex-class warbird and Norexan-class warbird pages. --Luca Mauri 10:19, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I gave some "negative response" on the 11th of July by reverting your split of the Valdore (or Norexan as you titled the article), which you reverted. The title "Norexan" is purely apocryphal, there's no verifiable source to back up the class is called "Norexan". Nor is the ship notable enough to warrant a separate article. I've reverted your revert (re-merging the content back here, under the ship's name, Valdore). NB: I agree with the split of the D'deridex, it's notable and could be sourced to several verifiable secondary sources. Matthew 11:11, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

Merger proposal
I know back in july it was decided to split this article, but that in retrospect is probably not the best idea, as that other article asserts no notability, and will probably be deleted because of it. Best would be to merge it back in here. Judgesurreal777 (talk) 05:30, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

Cleanup request
Er, just noticing that the merge seems to have already happened?

I plan to erase all the obsolete commentary after a week. Anyone objecting, please do so before then. I just think the talk page will be neater if redundancy and obsolescence is removed, especially seeing as there doens't seem to be a lack of consensus in the substance of this talk page. 134.39.190.200 (talk) 23:39, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Removed
I removed: This information was in the script only and was never mentioned in the episode. --Gvsualan (talk) 05:46, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Dominion War
 * During the Dominion War, the Romulan flagship was the D'ridthau. Its class is unknown, although (given its name, and its status as fleet flagship) it may have been a Warbird (D'deridex-class), or of a new class. It never appeared onscreen, but in the episode "What You Leave Behind" the D'ridthau'' was destroyed in battle by the Dominion.

D'Deridex firepower
Hi all,

I'm not active in Wiki, and I'm only now learning the ins and outs of the thing.

The current D'Deridex page notes that the ship's believed to have less firepower than a GCS, pointing out that the only time Warbirds truly "threatened" the Enterprise was with superior numbers (or somesuch).

That's incorrect; a lone Warbird was very much a threat to the Enterprise in "Tin Man." A single volley of disruptor fire dropped Enterprise's shields by 70%.

Given the length of time evenly-matched Federation ships can exchange phaser fire (Lakota v. Defiant), it'd seem a Warbird's disruptors are markedly *superior* to a Galaxy-class ship's phasers. Perhaps the latter's torpedo armament could make up the difference, but then, Warbirds appear to have torpedos, too ("The Die Is Cast").

Since I'm still picking up the basics, would someone be so kind as to remove the "less firepower" bit? In its place, I humbly suggest that a Warbird's weapons might simply be characterized as "powerful," perhaps as in "able to reduce a Galaxy-class starship's shields by 70% with several shots."

Something like that, anyhow.

71.75.69.70 (talk) 16:06, 19 August 2009 (UTC)SR

Response: The statement that a Galaxy class has superior firepower @ the points of time indicated is entirely correct, Captain Picard willing to engage two in "Data's Day"; the only reason he avoided firing on a WarBird @ any cost was to prevent an all out war. Further evidence is shown in the total firepower output per unit time of a Galaxy class, which is immensely superior to that of a Warbird. The Galaxy class starship has 100% weapons coverage in the form of phasers and photon torpedoes (65 megaton anti matter bombs), and is capable of launching in its non separated state 20 independently targetable photon torpedoes simultaneously (10 per tube), along with a barrage of high intensity phaser blasts simultaneously (several from just one array), witness the firepower used against the Borg cube. Phasers are easily just as if not more powerful than Disruptors, and it should be noted that the Romulans, despite having a cloaking advantage, have not gone to war with the Federation. This is due to superior weapons technology and vessels (namely the Galaxy class, which is the most efficient and best designed vessel in the fleet, having 2.5 times the volume of a Sovereign class).

In the same section there is a sentence about "fundemental scientific method" which -to me- makes little sense. Could somone rewrite or even remove that sentance please? Obikirk (talk) 19:42, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

D'Deridex vs Galaxy class
Hello all.

Over the past year, the level of D'Deridex firepower in relation to the Galaxy class starship has repeatedly been incorrectly altered, changing from the D'Deridex firepower being inferior with supported references to the unsupported statement that it has superior firepower when compared to the Galaxy class. I suggest that any alterations from the correct statement be forced to include EVIDENCE from canon, which is impossible since it clearly supports that the Galaxy class has only had to concede on a 2 against 1 basis, and during the dominion war and other occasions shown more endurance in respect of shield power, hull integrity and firepower. We see on multiple occasions a D'Deridex either being destroyed or disabled by a particular level of firepower, while the Galaxy class under the same stress continues on firing. This occurred in "Tinman" (TNG), "The Die is Cast" (DS9) and "What We Leave Behind" (DS9). Those are just three that come to mind, not including "Data's Day" (TNG) where Picard (against two warbirds which did not de-cloak and ambush the Enterprise) was willing to engage two D'Deridexes. I think the case is rather clear cut. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Fps beaTt (talk • contribs) 12:46, 26 August 2010 (UTC)