Talk:Ron Sandler

'Educational Briefing'
Point in issue: I refer to this as a bribe and Kittybrewster refers to it as a 'reimbursement of legal fees'. It occasioned a Department of Justice investigation, which I'll try to find a reference for.--Major Bonkers (talk) 09:46, 22 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Time magazine article: The Decline and Fall of Lloyd's of London; Insurance Journal: Fresh Allegations Surround Quackenbush, Lloyd's Payment. Will bash on later. --Major Bonkers (talk) 10:32, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Allegations??? Those articles also do not say "bribe". Is Sir David Rowland not more notable? Kittybrewster   &#9742;  11:02, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

The problem is that the money wasn't used for its stated purpose of 'educational briefings'. It wasn't even (all) used to reimburse legal costs (which had, in the first instance, been unlawfully removed from the assets of companies in run-off, apparently). Lloyd's had absolutely no obligation to pay these fees, which were not incurred by it, in a state in which it is not an admitted (re)insurer. See: The Los Angeles Times Quackenbush's Agency Hid Purpose of Insurer's Payment. As for Sir David, I must admit the oversight; after all, in general terms, what's the point of peculation from widows and orphans and grinding the faces of the poor if one's triumphant deeds are not recorded somewhere?! I suspect, however reluctantly, we may have to lose the word 'bribe'; not because that isn't what it was, but because it isn't 'verifiable' (= no newspaper was bold enough to call a spade a spade).--Major Bonkers (talk) 12:09, 22 February 2008 (UTC)


 * With no contributions for 2 years, I assume this dispute is settled, and I will remove the tag in the article. Rjm at sleepers (talk) 09:23, 22 February 2010 (UTC)

English
Sandler is said to be an English banker, although he was born in Rhodesia and has a German passport. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.160.33.6 (talk) 09:43, 23 March 2010 (UTC)
 * 86.160.33.6 is very naive. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.145.53.168 (talk) 13:49, 12 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Sandler is also said to have been born in Durban, in South Africa. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.26.7.194 (talk) 09:50, 12 October 2016 (UTC)

Palamon
See www.palamon.com, which gives details of Ron Sandler's connections with the Kyte Group and Palamon. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.145.53.168 (talk) 13:38, 12 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Ron Sandler is now described as an "advisor" of Palamon and Palamon do not now mention his previous work at the Kyte Group. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.145.53.168 (talk) 14:09, 12 November 2011 (UTC)
 * The new version of www.palamon.com seems to have stopped mentioning Sandler altogether. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.26.7.194 (talk) 11:02, 13 October 2016 (UTC)