Talk:Ronald DeWolf

Location
Cocknballse, California ... first instinct was that this is bogus, but I checked all over and there is no Cocknballse, California. Lesson learned: always follow your first instinct.

Date of death
Is he still alive? I thought he was dead. Can anyone onfirm he's alive or come up with a date of death? (Entheta 22:14, 30 December 2005 (UTC)) This article isn't accurate. It states that his brother, who died in 1976 according to another article, claims the church had him knocked off in 1991. What is true? (hayadel 16:14, 5 April 2006 (UTC))
 * No, it says DeWolf claims the brother (Quentin) was murdered (in 1976). (Entheta 21:37, 5 April 2006 (UTC))

L. Ron Hubbard, Jr. claims his parents tried to abort him, as this article points out. But doesn't the Church of Scientology oppose abortion? I think L. Ron Hubbard,Sr. says it does in his writings. FDR |  MyTalk   17:16 May 27, 2006 (UTC)
 * I'm not aware that they oppose it. As far as I know, Sea Org members who get pregnant are required to have an abortion. That policy is from after Hubbard's death though, so I'm not sure about his views on the subject. Not that it matters, because Hubbard didn't follow his own teachings. The Church of Scientology are aggressively opposed to drugs, but Hubbard took lots of drugs. (Entheta 21:38, 27 May 2006 (UTC))


 * Yes, in Dianetics Hubbard strongly opposes abortion. He claims that most abortions fail (!) and that they cause the child and the mother engrams. Of course, many abortions of the type he had attempted fail. Real abortions don't usually fail. And Hubbard was not exactly known to live what he preached. Entheta (talk) 19:50, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

Ancestry.com's Social Security Death Index list Ronald E. De Wolf, social security number 531-34-1468, born 7 May 1934, died 16 Sep 1991, Last Residence is listed as 89702 Carson City, Carson City, Nevada, United States of America.

Scientology's view on Ronald DeWolf
Could there be a section on Scientology's view on Ronald DeWolf? Does Scientology support any of his views, or look at him as a fraud, we should add this so that we have both sides of the story. Bib 12:37, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

Rotating retractions
Regarding Mr. DeWolf's allegations about his father abusing drugs, practicing black magick, and manipulating people, I see no clear evidence in his Affidavit against Lyle Stuart Inc. denying specific allegations made in the Penthouse interview, PBS Late Night, and 20/20 interviews about his father using illegal drugs, practicing "black magick" (rituals instructed by Aleister Crowley), and manipulating people. He does say, "The false charge about my father and drugs,...", in the context of explaining that the allegations he had made about his fathers illegal drug use had been made public in 1982. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by TheWikiWiki (talk • contribs).


 * Mr. DeWolf signed at least two different retractions, and then promptly made at least one of them moot by making more statements, possibly under oath. (I'd have to check the Clearwater hearings to see if the testimony was under oath.) The issue of what he said, retracted, re-said, re-retracted and maybe said again, when he did each one, pressures involved, and which one counts is complex and the "retraction" story shouldn't automatically be cut'n'paste in after every single reference to DeWolf throughout Wikipedia. AndroidCat 00:59, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

tag needed?
Is the tag still needed?

—Cesar Tort 20:09, 17 January 2008 (UTC)


 * It seems well sourced to me --70.124.68.156 (talk) 11:11, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

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Why the DeWolf name?
Does anyone know why he selected the name "DeWolf." The name DeWolf is associated with one of the most notorious slave trading family in the US. Thanks. 24.90.248.236 (talk) 02:35, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
 * According to, it seems to be a family name. L. Ron Hubbard (Sr)'s grandmother's name was Ida Corinne De Wolf. Seems to go back at least to the 17th century. Entheta (talk) 19:16, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

Paulette Cooper
I read somewhere, I think it was in Inside Scientology/Dianetics by Robert Kaufman, that Kaufman had introduced DeWolf to Paulette Cooper, and that somehow DeWolf was involved in the theft of stationery from Cooper's apartment, that the CoS used for the bomb threats. Does anyone know if this is true? Entheta (talk) 19:58, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

Meta-issue: Court documents and reliable sourcing
Please see the topic for discussion at Talk:Scientology. Thank you. --Justallofthem (talk) 23:10, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

Credibility section
With this edit I removed the recently added "Credibility" section. It was attempting to use various unconnected sources to make a point that DeWolf was not credible. This is a violation of WP:OR and WP:NPOV. It was also dripping with WP:WEASEL words like "controversial" and "allegations" which betray a very specific and negative POV. If there are sources explicitly stating that his credibility was in question, we need to explain who those sources are, and exactly what they are saying, not synthesizing a handful of re-hosted court documents to try for a "gotcha". The contradiction over the Mathison Emeter needs WP:SECONDARY sources if it's going to be a lengthy section, and that still doesn't mean the article can use that to imply he was untrustworthy. Grayfell (talk) 02:42, 21 April 2015 (UTC)