Talk:Ronaldinho

{{Archive box| Wikipedia Search Ronaldinho Article Talk Language Watch Edit "Ronaldinho fallo" redirects here. For the comic strip based on him, see Ronaldinho Gaúcho (comic strip). For other uses, see Ronaldinho (disambiguation). Learn more It has been suggested that Ronaldinho Gaúcho (comic strip) be merged into this article. (Discuss) In this Portuguese name, the first or maternal family name is de Assis and the second or paternal family name is Moreira. Ronaldo de Assis Moreira (born 21 March 1980), commonly known as Ronaldinho Gaúcho (Brazilian Portuguese: [ʁonawˈdʒĩɲu ɡaˈuʃu]) or simply Ronaldinho,[note 1] is a Brazilian retired professional footballer who played mostly as an attacking midfielder, but was also deployed as a winger. Widely regarded as one of the greatest players of all time, he won two FIFA World Player of the Year awards and a Ballon d'Or. He is the only player ever to have won a World Cup, a Copa América, a Confederations Cup, a Champions League, a Copa Libertadores and a Ballon d'Or.[4] A global icon of the sport, Ronaldinho was renowned for his technical skills, creativity, dribbling ability and accuracy from free-kicks, his use of tricks, feints, no-look passes and overhead kicks, as well as his ability to score and create goals, all prominent characteristics of his early-age background playing futsal. He is known by the nickname "O Bruxo" ("The Wizard").[5][6]
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Ronaldinho Ronaldinho in 2019.jpg Ronaldinho in 2019 Personal information Full name Ronaldo de Assis Moreira[1] Date of birth 21 March 1980 (age 43)[1] Place of birth Porto Alegre, Brazil Height 1.82 m (6 ft 0 in)[1] Position(s) Attacking midfielder, winger Youth career 1987–1998 Grêmio Senior career* Years Team Apps (Gls) 1998–2001 Grêmio 89 (47) 2001–2003 Paris Saint-Germain 55 (17) 2003–2008 Barcelona 145 (70) 2008–2011 AC Milan 76 (20) 2011–2012 Flamengo 56 (23) 2012–2014 Atlético Mineiro 58 (20) 2014–2015 Querétaro 25 (8) 2015 Fluminense 7 (0) Total 511 (205) International career 1997 Brazil U17 13 (3) 1998–1999 Brazil U20 17 (8) 1999–2000 Brazil U23 19 (15) 2008 Brazil Olympic (O.P.) 8 (3) 1999–2013 Brazil 97 (33) Medal record Men's football Representing Brazil FIFA World Cup Winner	2002 Korea/Japan FIFA Confederations Cup Winner	2005 Germany Runner-up	1999 Mexico Copa América Winner	1999 Paraguay Olympic Games Bronze medal – third place	2008 Beijing	Team CONMEBOL Pre-Olympic Tournament Winner	Brazil 2000 South American U-20 Championship Third place	1999 Argentina FIFA U-17 World Cup Winner	1997 Egypt South American U-17 Championship Winner	1997 Paraguay Ronaldinho made his career debut for Grêmio, in 1998. At age 20, he moved to Paris Saint-Germain in France before signing for Barcelona in 2003. In his second season with Barcelona, he won his first FIFA World Player of the Year award as Barcelona won the 2004–05 La Liga title. The season that followed is considered one of the best in his career as he was integral in Barcelona winning the 2005–06 UEFA Champions League, their first in fourteen years, and another La Liga title, giving Ronaldinho his first career double, receiving the 2005 Ballon d'Or and his second FIFA World Player of the Year in the process. After scoring two spectacular solo goals in the first 2005–06 El Clásico, Ronaldinho became the second Barcelona player, after Diego Maradona in 1983, to receive a standing ovation from Real Madrid fans at the Santiago Bernabéu.
 * Club domestic league appearances and goals

Following a second-place La Liga finish to Real Madrid in the 2006–07 season and an injury-plagued 2007–08 season, Ronaldinho suffered a decline in his performances—often put down to a decrease in dedication and focus having achieved so much in the sport—and departed Barcelona to join AC Milan, where he won the 2010–11 Serie A. He returned to Brazil to play for Flamengo in 2011 and Atlético Mineiro a year later where he won the 2013 Copa Libertadores, before moving to Mexico to play for Querétaro and then back to Brazil to play for Fluminense in 2015. Ronaldinho accumulated numerous other individual awards in his career: he was included in the UEFA Team of the Year and the FIFA World XI three times each, and was named UEFA Club Footballer of the Year for the 2005–06 season and South American Footballer of the Year in 2013; in 2004, he was named by Pelé in the FIFA 100 list of the world's greatest living players.

In his international career with Brazil, Ronaldinho earned 97 caps and scored 33 goals and represented his country in two FIFA World Cups. After debuting with the Seleção by winning the 1999 Copa América, he was an integral part of the 2002 FIFA World Cup-winning team, starring alongside Ronaldo and Rivaldo in an attacking trio, and was named in the FIFA World Cup All-Star Team. As captain, he led his team to the 2005 FIFA Confederations Cup title and was named man of the match in the final. He also captained the Brazil Olympic team to a bronze medal in men's football at the 2008 Summer Olympics.

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Semi-protected edit request on 17 May 2021
Remove all the references to the 2010-2011 Serie A trophy from the page. In particular:


 * remove the relevant sentence from the third paragraph of the introduction
 * remove the relevant sentence from the 2010-2011 season paragraph
 * remove the trophy from the Honours section

The source (in italian) that is currently used to support his inclusion is misleading. It is essentially a page on the A.C. Milan website (archived) where all the players who took part in the campaign are mentioned and thanked out of respect. However, the Serie A rules do not allow players who leave a club to win "future trophies", even in the same season. 2A00:23C5:3408:4101:6D53:BBAC:E13A:2210 (talk) 23:01, 17 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 11:56, 18 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Talk to Ronaldinho only 2C0F:F900:1000:1745:20F2:FABA:A27D:1D4B (talk) 14:20, 21 March 2023 (UTC)

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 * Remove "where he won the 2010–11 Serie A." from the third paragraph of the introduction.
 * Remove "Despite leaving the club at half-season, he was still eligible for a 2010–11 Serie A winner's medal as Milan won the competition." from "2010-11 season".
 * Remove "Serie A: 2010-11" from "Honours"

The main reason is that the source that is currently used does not say that Ronaldinho won the 2010-11 Serie A. It merely cites all the players that at some point in the 2010-2011 season played for A.C. Milan. Therefore, the above sentences need to be removed because of the lack of a reliable source. In particular, no reliable source can exist at all, because players who leave a club in the winter transfer window do not win any "future" trophy, even in the same season. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2a00:23c5:3408:4101:6d53:bbac:e13a:2210 (talk • contribs) 21:46, 18 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Pictogram voting comment.svg Note: I'm not confident enough with football rules to say whether or not he was qualified for the medal, but this source from the honors page declares that he won the medal despite leaving. I can't say if that is accurate, however as the page has since been removed from Squawka.com, possibly as a retraction. A S U K I T E  13:31, 1 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Ronaldonih 41.116.99.61 (talk) 20:58, 3 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the template. It doesn't seem this change has consensus from the limited responses. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 10:46, 18 June 2021 (UTC)
 * "no reliable source can exist at all, because players who leave a club in the winter transfer window do not win any "future" trophy, even in the same season."
 * Rubbish, Cancelo left Man city in January to Bayern, Man city even beat bayern to win the UCL and cancelo still received a league title medal.
 * Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jo%C3%A3o_Cancelo#Honours
 * So stop saying false garbage Zinan10 (talk) 09:03, 3 July 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 26 August 2021
Someone pls update his photo currently in 2021 106.195.38.254 (talk) 09:49, 26 August 2021 (UTC) 106.195.38.254 (talk) 09:49, 26 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done for now: We would need an image with a compatible license. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 10:55, 26 August 2021 (UTC)

Ronaldinho has not won the 2010-11 Serie A
The page still includes multiple incorrect lines stating that Ronaldinho won the 2010-2011 Serie A. He could not have won such competition because he was sold to Flamengo in January 2011. Being sold to another football club implies that the old contract is terminated (in Ronaldinho's case with the mutual consent of both parties - him and A.C. Milan).

As such, Ronaldinho was not anymore an A.C. Milan player when they won the 2010-11 Serie A. The fact that A.C. Milan were kind enough to send him a medal for his contributions during the first half of the season, and to include him in the squad list on their website is irrelevant.

Imagine he was sold to another club in Serie A (i.e., to a direct competitor), rather than to Flamengo. We would definitely not say that he won the 2010-11 Serie A in that case. Then why is the case different with him having been sold to Flamengo?

Among other things, the sentence "Despite leaving the club at half-season, he was still eligible for a 2010–11 Serie A winner's medal as Milan won the competition" is false, and its only reference is A.C. Milan's website, which includes him in the squad list. However, they could have included anybody in the list, including Mickey Mouse. What I mean, is that it's not a reliable source, and even if it was, it would be wrong in this particular case.

May I ask, therefore, why the burden of the proof seems inverted in this case? I reckon all the references to winning the 2010-11 Serie A should be removed.

I am open to being wrong. If that is the case, I would like to receive a proper explanation (not the "establish consensus first" ad hominem - which is a known fallacy, by the way). 2A00:23C5:3408:4101:6D53:BBAC:E13A:2210 (talk) 22:55, 4 February 2022 (UTC)


 * Don't be a silly son of a whiore, just because he was sold doesn't mean he didn't win serie A or didn't receive a medal, he made 11 appearances and contributed to their eventual success, he played enough matches to be awarded a title therefore he won serie A in 2011, so he should be added to his resume. Zinan10 (talk) 09:00, 3 July 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 30 March 2022
Add in the fact that he signed for RANS Cilegon F.C. in 2022. Source all the pages on https://www.google.com/search?q=Dinho+to+Cillegon+FC&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8 2601:643:8300:4740:AD27:EB6D:C964:22BB (talk) 02:40, 31 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. –– FormalDude  talk  01:50, 1 April 2022 (UTC)

Ronaldinho should have in his wiki "widely regarded as one of the greatest players of all time" As it was there before
Ronaldinho is widely considered one of the greatest players of all time so I am not sure why this was taken out of his bio and replaced with "one of the most talented players ever" clearly this was edited by a hater. If this title can be included for players such as Baggio and Romario who in their regard are also all time greats certainly it should also be the case for ronaldinho as he is not only more talented than both but also won more individually and club-wise.

I will upload a link to an image that showed what was written on his wiki before it was edited

https://ibb.co/dmhqC65 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zinan10 (talk • contribs) 11:36, 24 June 2022 (UTC)

Team
What was ronaldinho is last team 81.28.124.133 (talk) 08:04, 17 July 2022 (UTC)

Him
He was a heavy drug attic 2001:56A:F9BC:6500:EDEE:6587:EECB:7AB1 (talk) 19:05, 24 August 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 9 February 2023
74.102.8.140 (talk) 00:53, 9 February 2023 (UTC) You need to add his new club al nassr
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 01:00, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

Ronaldinho
Pourquoi personne ne s'intéresse a lui alors que c'est une légendes du foot les gens il préfère Ronaldo Messi alors que il ne sont pas comme Ronaldinho 193.121.187.86 (talk) 20:06, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

Ronaldinho was named World soccer player of the decade for the 2000's and should be included in honours
Ronaldinho was named World soccer player of the decade for the 2000's and should be included in honours

Source : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Soccer_(magazine)#Greatest_Players_of_the_20th_century Zinan10 (talk) 17:41, 6 April 2023 (UTC)


 * Can someone please add this to his Individual honors?
 * @Rizzle685
 * @FMSky Zinan10 (talk) 11:23, 22 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Done 👍 Rizzle685 (talk) 12:00, 22 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Good, but there are some other achievements to add so i will just type them here rather than make a new post
 * Ronaldinho was voted into the La Liga team of the decade for the 2000's, and was also named twice as the best foreign player in La liga, In 2004 and 2006
 * Source is here- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don_Bal%C3%B3n_Award
 * Please update @Rizzle685@FMSKY Zinan10 (talk) 12:59, 8 December 2023 (UTC)
 * @FMSky Zinan10 (talk) 13:02, 8 December 2023 (UTC)
 * @Rizzle685
 * Can someone please update this. Ronaldinho has 3 indiviudal honours missing
 * 2 time La liga best foreign player and Voted into la liga team of the decade.
 * Source - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don_Bal%C3%B3n_Award Zinan10 (talk) 11:53, 21 March 2024 (UTC)
 * @FMSky Zinan10 (talk) 11:54, 21 March 2024 (UTC)

"Regordinho" listed at Redirects for discussion
The redirect [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Regordinho&redirect=no Regordinho] has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at  until a consensus is reached. Mazewaxie ( talk  •  contribs ) 13:19, 24 April 2024 (UTC)

hello
gesture to welcome somebody 2001:569:BC12:5E00:9D1A:A737:D8B6:D364 (talk) 23:59, 14 May 2024 (UTC)

Ronaldinho was voted into the La Liga team of the decade for the 2000's, and was also named twice as the best foreign player in La liga, In 2004 and 2006
Source is here- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don_Bal%C3%B3n_Award

These are missing from his individual honours please add.

@Rizzle685 @FMSky Zinan10 (talk) 14:55, 19 May 2024 (UTC)