Talk:Ronaldo (Brazilian footballer)/Achievements

that was fast...
its amazing how fast like 4 people went to edit the Ronaldo page to update how he tied the WC goals scored record

RideABicycle 20:42, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

Well, his record will only last 4 years. At current pace, Klose will pass him in 2010.

Norum 29.06.2006


 * Not really, Klose will be 32, and likely retired and replaced. Philc  TECI 23:13, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

Indeed
Dude, you're right! That was insanely fast updated!

E.Cortez 21:10, 22 June 2006 (UTC-3)

International Caps and Goals
The international caps and goals listed twice on this page were both incorrect, according to FIFA's World Cup 2006 website. . I therefore changed the information. I am however, a little suspicious of the caps figure, can anyone else confirm it?--Jackyd101 01:03, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

Won the 1994 World Cup?
Now I understand that he was in the squad, and therefore was probably given a medal, but I think it's a bit much to imply in any way that he helped the team to this victory if he didn't play a single minute! aLii 13:20, 23 June 2006 (UTC)


 * He's on the roster, he's a world cup winner, end of story. Batman2005 19:49, 23 June 2006 (UTC)


 * This is a long-going debate among fans and writers. One thing I always found funny was how certain fans would credit Ronaldo with being champion in 1994, but would not credit, for example, Franco Baresi for being in the roster in 1982 or Daniel Passarella in 1986. And even 'funnier' is that FIFA now recognizes these players' as winners in those tournaments, but never bothered to do so before Ronaldo and the 1994 world cup. The point is that just being on the roster wasn't enough to be eligible for the list of champions, and this seemed to be the consensus before the Ronaldo era. Then there seemed to be a certain urgency out there to ensure that everyone hears he was 'part of the squad'. Did anyone else out there notice this? I can't find, however, a FIFA source stating what the requirements are for a player to be recognized as world cup winner, or when these requirements were established. ChaChaFut 00:13, 24 June 2006 (UTC)


 * You won't find a "FIFA Source" talking about requirements for being called a world cup winner. It matters not if the player played a single minute of the tournament, they were a part of a world cup winning team, therefore they are world cup winners.  There's no reason to debate that point and if people are they are foolish.  Each player on the team, be it the starting center midfielder or the 3rd team goalkeeper are important parts of the team and only one play away from either being in or out of the game.  There's no plausible reason why we'd say Baresi or Passarella weren't champions...they are!  If people are saying they're not, then those people are foolish.  Simply put, Ronaldo was on the roster in 1994, therefore in 1994 he was a world cup champion.  It's the same with Kasey Keller...this was his fourth world cup...only the second that he actually played in, but he was in 4 world cups. Batman2005 01:03, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

Scoring record
From the article: "The difference is that it took him three World Cups while Müller did it in just two.". Is this really necessary? How does it contribute? Hardwick 15:43, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

Scoring at least three goals in three world cups
With his third goal of the 2006 World Cup, Ronaldo became only the second player ever (Klinsmann being the other) to score at least three goals in each of three world cups, a sign of consistency at the top level. I added this info to the article, but then it was removed with the point of view that it is not a notable record. Fine with me if that is the consensus (?). But what if he scores again? He will become the only player in history to score at least four goals in each of three world cups. (4, 8, and 4 in 1998, 2002 and 2006 respectively). Will it suddenly make a difference and become a noteworthy statistic? Thanks in advance for your opinion. ChaChaFut 03:34, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

I was the one who deleted it but I'm not really against it so if you think it's okay and\or you get a consensus then go ahead and change it back. Yonatanh 03:57, 28 June 2006 (UTC)


 * I'm on the opinion that it's already notable, and may be re-included. --Abu Badali 04:19, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

World Cup '98
Shouldn't there be more on his performence in World Cup '98? I added some details about the fit he had the night before the final, could someone with more memories of the event expand this?

Football career
Not sure how to add this in but Ronaldo was originally brought to PSV by their (then) manager Bobby Robson; when Robson moved to Barcelona he brought Ronaldo to play there, (or at least got Barca to buy him from PSV). I realise this is more relevant to Robson as coach, but isn't it always interesting to know who helped the player in his career? 88.109.31.255 20:23, 16 July 2006 (UTC)