Talk:Ronda Rousey/Archive 1

Money Purses
Why no mention of her prixze money or event purses?99.2.69.235 (talk) 12:24, 9 December 2012 (UTC)

Not a member of Cesar Gracie Fight Team
Ronda has trained with Gracie fighters and coaches but only as a guest. She is not a member of the team, not coached or cornered by the team on a regular basis. Please don't list Cesar Gracie in her affiliations, but feel free to add sourced references to training with them in the other sections. Taevan (talk) 06:52, 20 April 2013 (UTC)

Nickname
The Part about wether or not using the Nickname "Rowdy" isn't realy a persona issue and therefore should be relocated away from the personal Life section-- 07:07, 22 May 2014 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.211.146.25 (talk)
 * I think it's fine where it is. Chris Troutman  ( talk ) 06:07, 22 May 2014 (UTC)

Trash talk
Please consider if there could be a balanced addition about the media controversy Rousey is stirring, with her rather unheard commentry about her opponents.--Caygill (talk) 17:49, 22 January 2012 (UTC) Trust me I will.Goldengloveschamp (talk) 19:02, 5 March 2015 (UTC)

Pro Record
Ediane Gomes, Charmaine Tweet, Sarah D'Alelio and Julia Budd are her pro wins. The others were amateur wins. Please do not add them to the pro section. Her pro record is 4-0 as of January 27, 2012, as per Sherdog. http://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Ronda-Rousey-73073 — Preceding unsigned comment added by NerdNinja9 (talk • contribs) 10:41, 27 January 2012 (UTC) Definitly wouldn't do that no matter what.Goldengloveschamp (talk) 19:11, 5 March 2015 (UTC)

Trash talk, redux
She is currently trash talking Michael Phelps, saying he snubbed her in the 2008 olympics. also said he was only a swimmer, as opposed to her skills.Mercurywoodrose (talk) 00:06, 22 July 2012 (UTC)He probably did.Goldengloveschamp (talk) 19:13, 5 March 2015 (UTC)

Fight Times
The Miesha Tate fight time is clearly wrong, I'm watching it on YouTube right now and it's at least 5 minutes long. A better source needs to be found. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.138.114.61 (talk) 06:48, 2 August 2015 (UTC)

Disaster at bottom of page
Someone has absolutely wrecked the section showing all her fights near the bottom of the page. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ronda_Rousey#Mixed_martial_arts_record) Ikilled007 (talk) 13:09, 2 August 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 3 August 2015
Bethe Correia was defeated by ko.. not armbar submission.

2600:1016:B027:8CA3:0:18:3D05:301 (talk) 07:00, 3 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Pictogram voting wait.svg Already done  True CRaysball  | #RaysUp 08:56, 6 August 2015 (UTC)

Question!
What Does D.N.B Mean !💭 Jay Peace Works (talk) 04:26, 8 August 2015 (UTC)
 * A simple Google search will tell you.  General Ization  Talk   04:30, 8 August 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 1 October 2015
First to be listed is the original article, then will be the article with proper changes and new facts. "Rousey fought Bethe Correia on August 1, 2015 in Brazil, at UFC 190, winning the bout by knockout 34 seconds into the first round.[86] Rousey dedicated the match to "Rowdy" Roddy Piper, who died the day before, commenting that Piper was one of her inspirations and had endorsed her use of his nickname.[7][87]

Rousey is expected to face Holly Holm on November 15, 2015 at UFC 193.[88]"

Please change the article section above to the revised piece listed below. All references are reputable and the facts add to the career achievements of Ronda Rousey.

"Rousey fought Bethe Correia on August 1, 2015 in Brazil, at UFC 190, winning the bout by knockout 34 seconds into the first round.[86] Rousey dedicated the match to "Rowdy" Roddy Piper, who died the day before, commenting that Piper was one of her inspirations and had endorsed her use of his nickname.[7][87]

The completion of this bout marked Ronda Rousey’s sixth official with the UFC, all of which have been victories. She has spent 477 seconds in the octagon to attain all six and has accumulated $1,080,000 in prize money; this equates to nearly $2,264.15 for every second spent fighting. Her total time of 7 minutes and 57 seconds is less than the average time of a single match in every UFC weight class, the fastest of which is the Heavyweight division with a time of 7 minutes and 59 seconds.

Rousey is expected to face Holly Holm on November 15, 2015 at UFC 193 for her seventh official bout.[88]"

Nick5215 (talk) 00:40, 1 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Done Sorry it took so long to get to this request. Your references did not actually include anything about Rousey's total fight time so I had to do a little research myself.  I found an ESPN stat sheet that had her results on it.  Thank you for your contribution.  --Stabila711 (talk) 21:13, 4 October 2015 (UTC)

I would like to add on to the personal section and discuss Rousey's "Don't be a DNB Campaign." Rousey is a self proclaimed feminist and is using her fame for female self-empowerment. I will go into detail on the responses from the feminist community and how Rousey is helping women all over. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Twils637 (talk • contribs) 00:02, 6 October 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 27 October 2015
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ronda_Rousey#Ultimate_Fighting_Championship.2C_first_female_UFC_Champion

Please remove from this section this paragraph:

The completion of this bout marked Ronda Rousey’s sixth official with the UFC, all of which have been victories. She has spent 477 seconds in the octagon to attain all six and has accumulated $1,080,000 in prize money; this equates to nearly $2,264.15 for every second spent fighting.[88][89] Her total time of 7 minutes and 57 seconds is less than the average time of a single match in every UFC weight class, the fastest of which is the Heavyweight division with a time of 7 minutes and 59 seconds.[90]

Apart from the first sentence (which you could leave I guess) the rest is based on incorrect calculations from original source data. You will note none of the sources state Ronda spent 477 seconds in the octagon or that she earned $2,264.15 per second of fighting, or that her total fight time is 7 minutes and 57 seconds or that figure is less than average times for other weight classes. The reason is the initial 477 seconds is wrong. 4:49 (Carmouche) + 10:58 (Tate) + 1:06 (McMann) + 0:16 (Davis) + 0:14 (Zingano) + 0:34 (Correia) = 17:57, or 1077 seconds. The error in the original calculations appears to be the failure to add 10 minutes for the Tate fight, which unlike other fights went past round 1.

90.203.156.190 (talk) 17:33, 27 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Done I have updated the figures. The figure for the Tate fight did not include the first two rounds, only the short third round. I have also updated the final sentence. Comparing her total time against an average was silly, I have updated it to compare her average over 6 fights (Which the 10 minutes against Tate pushes to just under 3 minutes) instead. -- ferret (talk) 21:52, 28 October 2015 (UTC)

Pacbradley2
In my latest edit i proved all the sources and it is fair criticism, someone deleted so i re did it, just want to let you guys know. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pacbradley2 (talk • contribs) 22:27, 14 November 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 15 November 2015
RONDA ROUSEY lost her first fight i UFC 193

49.206.156.196 (talk) 05:54, 15 November 2015 (UTC) More importantly, you have not cited reliable sources to back up your request, without which no information should be added to, or changed in, any article. - Arjayay (talk) 21:22, 15 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: as you have not requested a specific change in the form "Please replace XXX with YYY" or "Please add ZZZ between PPP and QQQ".

Semi-protected edit request on 16 November 2015
Under the heading "Strikeforce", the following is stated: "The victory was controversial as referee Steve Mazzagatti only stopped the fight because D’Alelio appeared to make a brief sound. According to instructions given to fighters before they compete, this is typically deemed to be a verbal submission."

The official Strikeforce (or UFC) rules do not substantiate that verbal submission includes a "verbal indication of pain" and/or a "brief sound". Therefore, statements regarding verbal submission in this way should be changed or omitted. Ronda Rousey apparently had conveyed that instructions were given prior to competition about verbal pain counting as submission but this was/is NOT substantiated by the official Strikeforce (or UFC) rules. The contributor of this information must provide clear evidence that a verbal "indication" of pain and/or a "brief sound" count as verbal submission. Hearsay from Ronda Rousey is not proof that such a rule exists. The referee is allowed to stop a fight if he/she believes a fighter is in danger, but the referee also must abide by the Strikeforce (or UFC) rules regarding submission. And as stated before, there are no rules specifying that a verbal "indication of pain" or "brief sound" count as submission.

R2D342 (talk) 03:49, 16 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Mdann52 (talk) 17:04, 4 December 2015 (UTC)

RE: The Ronda Rousey Article, Section Under "Strikeforce"
This Ronda Rousey article contains no official supporting evidence that a verbal tap out includes a "verbal indication of pain" and/or a "brief sound". For references that prove there is no such official rule all one has to do is go to: http://www.ufc.com/discover/sport/rules-and-regulations and scroll down to the section "Types Of Contest Results", then read the part where it is stated that "verbal tap out" is considered to be submission. Notice there is nothing there which describes verbal tapping out as being a "brief sound" or "indication of pain". Also go to this Wiki article link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Submission_(combat_sports). The title of that Wiki article is "Submission (combat sports)". Notice that this article acknowledges that verbal tap out requires verbally informing that he/she is giving up. The word used in that article is "inform" NOT "signal" or "utter". Inform means to give facts or information to, or tell. The words "signal" and "utter"would cover almost anything verbal, including sounds relating to something being painful. Just about everything in MMA is painful during a fight...so verbal indication of pain without the fighter physically tapping out or verbally informing the ref is not officially recognized as tapping out. The referee has a right to stop a fight if he/she feels that one of the fighters is in serious danger (read UFC rules). HOWEVER, there is a difference between doing that and stopping a fight without actually hearing a fighter say that he/she is giving up. Furthermore, I bring your attention to the Leonard vs. Duran fight in which Duran clearly let the referee know he wanted to quit fighting. A bad call by a referee is certainly not unusual in MMA. And it is well known among MMA fans that more than one of Ronda Rousey's MMA fights were controversial. Signed by R2D34216:14, 23 December 2015 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by R2D342 (talk • contribs) 05:19, 10 December 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 23 December 2015
Under the heading "Strikeforce" in the Ronda Rousey article, there are errors that should be corrected. Under the "Strikeforce" heading the following is stated: "Rousey defeated D'Alelio by technical submission due to an armbar early in the first round. The victory was controversial as referee Steve Mazzagatti only stopped the fight because D’Alelio appeared to make a brief sound. According to instructions given to fighters before they compete, this is typically deemed to be a verbal submission. Mazzagatti initially did nothing, but after Rousey looked at him and stated that D’Alelio had submitted, he stopped the fight. D'Alelio admitted after the fight that she let out a verbal indication of pain."

There is more than one problem with these statements. Problem #1 There is absolutely no proof that Mazzagatti stopped the fight due to D'Alelio appearing to make "a brief sound". In fact, Mazzagatti had no comment about why he stopped this fight Problem #2 D'Alelio admitted to making a sound of physical exertion...but she did NOT admit to verbally tapping out or to there being a Strikeforce rule that considered a verbal indication of pain to be a verbal tapout/submission. The contributor of this section relied almost entirely on what Ronda Rousey said in interviews rather than relying on Strikeforce's official rules. In Strikeforce's official rules there are no details about verbal submissions other than the following: "Submission: a fighter clearly taps on his/her opponent or the mat, verbally submits, or in case the fighter goes out because of hypoxia, causing the referee to stop it." Everything Ronda Rousey said about what is deemed to be a verbal submission is just heresay until former officials from Strikeforce come forth and substantiate what she said. Until that happens the contributor who wrote this section is not being honest or fair because he/she is relying totally on what Ronda Rousey said without having any official evidence to back it up. Perhaps a better way to write about this controversy would be to state what Ronda Rousey claimed, then write a short description of what actually happened without distorting facts. R2D342 (talk) 19:55, 23 December 2015 (UTC) R2D342

R2D342 (talk) 19:55, 23 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. - Please change X, even with ideas, is not what request semi protected edits are for. Please give us specific changes that should be made, thanks. --allthefoxes (Talk) 06:41, 11 January 2016 (UTC)

Ranked #1 in the ufc as of desember is missleading
She is the #1 CONTENDER in bantamweight, not ranked 1. This should be cleard out as ufc ranks contenders. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Krazzkrazz (talk • contribs) 13:54, 22 January 2016 (UTC)

This article made the Top 25 Report again
This article was the fourth most popular on Wikipedia according to the Top 25 Report with 1,793,510 views for the week November 15 to 21, 2015. This is the seventh time this article has made the Top 25 including the top spot for the week August 2 to 8, 2015 with 2,049,053 views. Congratulations to the editors of this article for the exposure of their work. SchreiberBike &#124; ⌨  07:12, 25 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Wow, how interesting... *falls asleep* *snores* Alialiac (talk) 14:15, 24 January 2016 (UTC)

External links modified
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Pronunciation of "Rousey"
Please change
 * Ronda Jean Rousey (/ˈraʊzi/ or /ˈraʊsi/;[citation needed])

to
 * Ronda Jean Rousey (/ˈraʊzi/)

173.228.123.101 (talk) 00:40, 27 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done for now: I don't feel like a wordpress blog is a reliable source --allthefoxes (Talk) 23:15, 27 January 2016 (UTC)
 * What Wordpress blog? The cite I gave is a Youtube video (from the official Saturday Night Live Youtube channel) of Ronda Rousey hosting an SNL episode and saying her own name when she introduces herself.  She actually says her name several times during the clip.  I don't see what could be more reliable than that.  173.228.123.101 (talk) 23:40, 27 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Done --allthefoxes (Talk) 07:04, 30 January 2016 (UTC)

(again) prononciation of Rousey
Could someone look again at the request further up? I don't know the source of the confusion, but it doesn't cite a Wordpress blog or say anything about a Wordpress blog anywhere. It cites an official SNL video upload of Ronda Rousey saying her own name when hosting the show. She says it right at the beginning of the clip, and several additional times during the clip. That seems authoritative to me. Thanks. 173.228.123.101 (talk) 06:05, 30 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Pictogram voting comment.svg Note: My bad, I saw the 2 and looked at the reflist to see a wordpress blog. My mistake. --allthefoxes (Talk) 07:04, 30 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks! 173.228.123.101 (talk) 07:52, 30 January 2016 (UTC)

Domestic Violence Incident
Should we not instead point out that this source points out she did strike him first but he refused to allow her to leave thus she was defending herself from being kidnapped as he then followed her into her vehicle after she escape? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.97.64.6 (talk) 06:04, 24 November 2015 (UTC)
 * May I ask why this hasn't been edited? The current edit makes it appear she attacked him rather than defend herself from being kidnapped79.97.64.6 (talk) 08:52, 1 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Am I to assume we're to use sources that don't exist? Is this now the policy of Wikipedia? To smear some victims of attempted kidnapping?79.97.64.6 (talk) 17:09, 7 February 2016 (UTC)

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Left-handed
"Rousey is right-handed, but is a left-handed judoka fighting in an orthodox stance as a striker." She's left-handed, as you can see at any autograph signing. Example: http://armbarnation.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/ronda-rousey-xyience-poster.jpg. The decision to fight in orthodox stance is explained in her book. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.129.20.192 (talk) 20:19, 20 March 2016 (UTC)

"Former mixed martial artist"
Article states this in the lead, but the article doesn't back it up, only saying she had a medical suspension that is well over. This needs to say if she is still signed to UFC, if so, the former moniker should be removed. 208.54.35.188 (talk) 01:58, 10 July 2016 (UTC)
 * I have reverted this wording, she is not retired from MMA, and "judoka" implies nothing but expertise in judo. Unigolyn (talk) 11:20, 10 July 2016 (UTC)

Olympic career
Your edits are unnecessarily specific. The issue is, while Rousey is a judoka, this does not mean that she was only the first judoka to accomplish what she had, versus being the first judo player (a wider group of practitioners below black belt). The term athlete addresses an even wider group. Making it specific could be inaccurate. You could say that Neil Armstrong was the first American astronaut to walk on the moon (which is true) but he was also the first American, the first man, and the first human to walk on the moon. Don't use the term American astronaut and leave the reader wondering if explorers of other nationalities were there first. Unfortunately that section is unreferenced so unless you have facts to back up your assertions, please revert yourself. It is not our practice to revert a reversion without a discussion. Chris Troutman ( talk ) 02:50, 26 October 2013 (UTC)

She is not the first U.S. woman to earn a medal in Judo at the Olympics. I am not well versed in this history, but for instance, Lynn Roethke received the silver in the '88 Olympics. --John C. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.84.9.98 (talk) 17:25, 4 January 2017 (UTC)


 * Women's judo was only a demonstration sport at those Olympics. --SubSeven (talk) 22:44, 4 January 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 27 January 2017
Please add a link to the page for Insureon in the Other Work section. Max.schleicher (talk) 14:58, 27 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Done DRAGON BOOSTER   ★  15:07, 27 January 2017 (UTC)

Very opiniated "fact" and source
From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ronda_Rousey#Title_loss_and_return : Rousey had no answer Nunes’ straight and overhand shots. "Even with all that time to recuperate and prepare, Rousey did not learn an effective jab, the first and most basic tenet of boxing, one of MMA’s core disciplines."[95]

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Perhaps that is so, but we don't know for sure, and the source is simply a opiniated commentary of the fight that does not confirm this from Rousey's coaches. If this has to stand it should be changed to something like: Martin Rogers of USA Today Sports wrote: "Even with all that time to recuperate and prepare, Rousey did not learn an effective jab, the first and most basic tenet of boxing, one of MMA’s core disciplines."[95] Kimern9 (talk) 17:54, 8 June 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 28 December 2017
Ronda Rousey was NOT the first American Female to earn an Olympic Medal in Judo. Please Delete the line. See Lynn Roethke Wikipedia and U.S. Olympic History "Ms. Roethke is a two-time US Olympic competitor for judo. Lynn competed in the 1988 Summer Olympic Games in Seoul, Korea where she would win the silver medal" 2600:6C44:747F:D4E6:41D0:4D5E:DE4:A54 (talk) 16:36, 28 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Upsidedown Keyboard (talk) 17:36, 28 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Judo was a demonstration event at those 1988 Olympics. It's right there in Lynn's article. --SubSeven (talk) 19:57, 28 December 2017 (UTC)

She's known for MMA and judo, not wrestling
You don't have consensus to change the infobox just yet. Ronda is a known, accomplished judoka and MMA fighter. She made one meaningless appearance in the WWE so I think it's too early to make a re-write. Chris Troutman ( talk ) 01:46, 31 January 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 26 February 2018
There's a good bit of info in the WWE career section which is about Shayna Baszler's WWE career, not Rousey's. It ought to be removed. 160.147.251.64 (talk) 13:13, 26 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Done  JTP (talk • contribs) 23:17, 26 February 2018 (UTC)

Suplex
Ronda Rousey did a signature move belly to belly suplex on Triple H at Elimination Chamber 2018?

It was a Slam BusriderSF2015 21:53, 26 February 2018 (UTC)

It was just a judo slam Akmcmahon731 (talk) 16:44, 6 March 2018 (UTC)