Talk:Ronnie Lee Gardner

He was declared dead before he was executed?
Edit request from 65.167.208.4, 18 June 2010 Please proofread this entry. He was declared dead before he was executed? I'd fix it myself, but it's semi-protected. Thanks.

65.167.208.4 (talk) 14:10, 18 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Gardner was executed at 12:20:25 a.m. MDT, on June 18, 2010 by a firing squad at Utah State Prison.[1] Ronnie Lee Gardner was pronounced dead at 12:17 a.m. A corrections official had put the time of death at 12:20 a.m. before correcting it.
 * TFOWR 14:12, 18 June 2010 (UTC)
 * TFOWR 14:12, 18 June 2010 (UTC)

Timnic (talk) 16:07, 18 June 2010 (UTC): Your reasoning for not editing makes no sense. If he was executed before 12:20 then he was not executed at 12:20:25! The fact the correction officer entered the wrong time does not change the time that he was actually executed. According to an eye witness (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/7837976/Eyewitness-Ronnie-Lee-Gardner-execution.html) the execution time was 12:15am and death was pronouced at 12:17am. The 12:20:25 entry needs to be changed as the current wording is factually incorrect and does imply death prior to execution.


 * ✅. KimChee (talk) 07:13, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

Accomplice
Any evidence for who his accomplice was in placing a gun in the courtroom?66.80.6.163 (talk) 15:38, 18 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Gardner identified this person as Darcy Perry McCoy. This has been added to the article with citations of news sources. KimChee (talk) 07:13, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

Time Zone
Should the time zone 'MDT' be placed after all reference to time? --196.215.54.89 (talk) 15:52, 18 June 2010 (UTC)

Two Counts Of Murder
He killed 2 people. Shouldn't his charge state that? It does with other convicted criminals that were executed. IrishTrains1234 (talk) 17:49, 18 June 2010 (UTC)


 * ✅, with dates of each conviction. KimChee (talk) 07:13, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

The Life (and Death) of a Criminal
I feel this article lacks basic, biographical information. All it contains pertains to his execution -- I mean, the guy had a life! More information regarding his background, crimes, arrest, trial, and conviction are needed; right now, all we know is how he died. -- Howdoesitflee (talk) 17:54, 18 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, the page was just created yesterday. But agree the article is very weak at the moment. Should definately include the actual crimes he committed. --MarsRover (talk) 18:50, 18 June 2010 (UTC)
 * "The guy had a life"? No, apparently not, just a history of crime.  He would not be notable at all except for the notability his victims died to give him.  Nor is his mugshot notable, unless one regards wikipedia as a memorial. μηδείς (talk) 17:07, 19 June 2010 (UTC)

Protests
In this edit, I removed a referenced claim there were no protests at the prison during his execution, only because I found this story from ABC News which mentioned his family gathering, adding "They were joined by dozens of death penalty protesters." I don't have a way to judge the MSNBC vs. ABC difference of reporting, so I removed the statement entirely. If there's no better report in the next few days, I suppose the best approach would be to note the differing stories on this. Comet Tuttle (talk) 22:51, 18 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Interesting observation. Perhaps the MSNBC reporter didn't stick around to see what the ABC reporter did. I concur that it's better to wait and see what other outlets also report. KimChee (talk) 04:32, 19 June 2010 (UTC)

Assessment comment
I think the lead needs to be expanded to properly summarize the article. Hekerui (talk) 14:56, 15 July 2010 (UTC)


 * The lead has been expanded per your recommendation. Is this the right place to note this or should I post another request at WP:BIOG? KimChee (talk) 23:55, 9 August 2010 (UTC)
 * If you want another reassessment, don't hesitate to post a new request on the WP Bio reassessment page. Regards Hekerui (talk) 06:54, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

Blood Atonement
This article states that "Some followers of Mormonism are taught that murder is so heinous that the blood of the offender must be spilled to pay for their sins" and cites a BBC article to support this assertion. The BBC article quotes an article in the Salt Lake Tribine, which discusses an "arcane [i.e. mysterious, secret, obscure] LDS belief that a murderer must shed his own blood -- literally -- to be forgiven by God." It then goes on to say that the LDS church "disavows any connection to blood atonement," and includes a direct quote from the official church statement on the issue, which the Wikipedia article also quotes. Thus the original statement directly contradicts the church's stated position and could be considered inflammatory. I believe a better phrasing would be something to the effect of "There has been speculation that some followers of Mormonism believe that murder is so heinous that the blood of the offender must be spilled to pay for their sins, although this is not official church doctrine." I also think the original Salt Lake Tribune article should be cited, rather than the BBC article.

Also, the pronoun "their" doesn't agree with its antecedent, "offender."

Thank you.

67.199.176.153 (talk) 09:18, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

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