Talk:Rosa (Doctor Who)

Ending Theme of episode
Interestingly, in an encyclopedic point of view, this episode doesn't close with the standard theme for this series, but with a song. Putting aside the name for now, is this the only episode in Doctor Who's history to end without the traditional closing theme for a series? GUtt01 (talk) 18:16, 22 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Earthshock episode 4 ended with silent credits. DonQuixote (talk) 18:43, 22 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Just read that, is there any others though, that ended with different music for the ending credits? GUtt01 (talk) 18:46, 22 October 2018 (UTC)
 * I wondered this myself after watching the episode last night. Even if it's not the only episode to end with a piece of music other than the theme (or silence) it's probably rare enough for a mention on here. The song, incidentally, is "Rise Up" by Andra Day. This is Paul (talk) 20:52, 22 October 2018 (UTC)
 * I had to ask this, because I was contemplating whether to include such a mention in the article, mainly in the lead. But I suppose we could also mention it in the Infobox as well. Provided we give a clear citation for it. GUtt01 (talk) 21:10, 22 October 2018 (UTC)
 * There's a piece about the track on the Radio Times website that discusses its use in the episode. I'd pretty much convinced myself I was listening to something by Adele when I first heard it, so had to look just to see whether or not it was her. This is Paul (talk) 21:34, 22 October 2018 (UTC)

Continuity point:Stormcage
Anyone else think it might be simpler to reference Stormcage with a hyperlink in the plot rather than have the continuity note there? ZarhanFastfire (talk) 02:24, 27 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Possibly, although we don't currently have an article about Stormcage. I've just created a Stormcage Containment Facility redirect to River Song since its use is most notably found in her storyline. This is Paul (talk) 21:34, 27 October 2018 (UTC)

Presley, Sinatra, Banksy
My recent edits adding the facts that the Doctor referred to her acquaintance with Elvis Presley, and a connection with Frank Sinatra, and "may" be Banksy, were reverted. These cited facts should, of course, be restored. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 21:37, 28 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Just because something can be cited to a reliable source, it doesn't mean that it's not trivia. There was a discussion last year that trainspotting, even from reliable sources, shouldn't be arbitrarily included in the articles. Nothing really came of it officially, but some editors, apparently, are keeping this in mind for the new episode articles. DonQuixote (talk) 21:59, 28 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Agreed. These references were not continuity, and do not further the understanding of the episode with their inclusion. --  Alex TW 00:47, 29 October 2018 (UTC)
 * They should all be kept, especially if well sourced, as they tell more of the life story of the Doctor. The Banksy thing was alluded to twice, and although it seemed to me to be the Doctor playing around, who (Who) knows.?. In any case, one person's trivial is another's interesting fact which fills in more of the overall story. Randy Kryn (talk) 01:58, 29 October 2018 (UTC)
 * There comes a time when we have to move on from an indiscriminate collection of information and strive to cultivate an encyclopaedia article on the level of Encyclopaedia Britannica. DonQuixote (talk) 03:01, 29 October 2018 (UTC)
 * , there is no way we want to get anywhere close to what Britannica does. Here is their entire output on Doctor Who, including the series, the characters, and each individual episode: it's a stub which we would AfD as being woefully inadequate. It is WP:WRITTENONTHEHEADOFAPIN (that is if you can even read it in back of the pop-up ads and bats and brick-a-brack that they throw at their customers, i.e. readers). Britannica is not the model you are seeking. It is often, to take Doctor Who as an example, little more than a small dictionary entry about the overall topic. Wikipedia, on the other hand, tells the entire story, start to finish and back again (the long way around), and within the coverage we give the topic we can hopefully spare the room to let the readers know that the Doctor knew Elvis and joked (or did she?) about being Banksy. Randy Kryn (talk) 03:36, 29 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Okay...not what I meant. I meant that we should strive to be more encyclopaedic in the treatment of a subject. That is, trivia really isn't acadaemic and more for fan sites like tardiswikia. As I've said before, at this point in time I'm just happy that people are citing sources for these things. However, in future, Doctor Who related articles should strive to be more like this article: To Kill a Mockingbird. DonQuixote (talk) 03:55, 29 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Without watching the episode again I seem to recall the Elvis/Sinatra thing played a small part in the plot, in that the bus driver who was going to do Blake's shift was given an all expenses paid trip to Las Vegas to see Sinatra so that Blake would be in place to order Rosa Parks to vacate her seat. Using that argument we could include this in the plot summary, but, having said that, we do need to avoid making plot summaries overlong with details that don't really move the story along. This is Paul (talk) 15:14, 29 October 2018 (UTC)
 * First, this was always an outside references dicsussion, not a contuinty dicussion. We don't know enough to know she's joking or not and there's so little actually said, it cannot be taken at face value and is indeed best left ignored for what it is, a tease. To say this fleshes out the Doctor's life history is like saying Four was genuinely involved in the Great Fire when he makes a joke of it in passing to Sarah Jane - it's an aside and says nothing definitive (and is later contradicted by Five really being involved, I think). I've been away for a bit so I myself was a bit confused about what counts as an outside reference: it's not just mentioning an artist's name, it has to be some reference to the work itself, a quote, an image, etc. - hence my own separate addition of the Banksy reference which Alex correctly removed. ZarhanFastfire (talk) 02:19, 6 November 2018 (UTC)