Talk:Rose-ringed parakeet

Name change
What is the proof that this name is the best name? KimvdLinde 03:22, 8 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Rose-ringed is official British list name. jimfbleak 05:29, 8 April 2006 (UTC)
 * I know, and Forshaw in Parrots of the world uses that name also, and pretty much every book I have looked in does that. Google search:
 * Ring-necked parakeet: 30.400
 * Ringnecked parakeet: 268
 * Rose-ringed parakeet: 430.000
 * Roseringed parakeet: 414


 * Based on these numbers, it is clear it should be Rose-ringed parakeet. KimvdLinde 05:35, 8 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Should go back then esp as links not fixed - should the pet bit be spolit off as a new article? jimfbleak 05:46, 8 April 2006 (UTC)
 * I would like to give Birdeditor a chance to motivate the change to this name, but if it remains based on a argument on authority (him), than I am in favour to change it back to Rose-ringed Parakeet. I do not think we should split the pet information off as that would make two rather small articles. I think subdividing into two major sections can do the job as well. KimvdLinde 05:49, 8 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Change that to, if Birdeditor comes with a good argument, we can always change it back to ringnecked again. KimvdLinde

I've restored Rose-ringed, and fixed all the links. jimfbleak 06:10, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

birdeditor
My main purpose of the name change was to attract more people to this article (I understand that there are people who care more about precision than success). However since it would take me really long to fix the links (my mistake I didn't consider it before) and anyway Rose-ringed Parakeet is also an entirely right name (I agree 100 percent with that) I guess I will have to go with the "majority wins" rule. Birdeditor 23:44, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
 * I hope you do not see this as a competition, with winning and such, but trying to make something as good as possible based on arguments. KimvdLinde 00:49, 12 April 2006 (UTC)


 * I agree with Kim, and you should bear in mind that someone searching under the ring-necked name will find this page through the redirects, so nothing is lost. jimfbleak 05:42, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Birdeditor, you write: I understand that there are people who care more about precision than success. Your understanding is incorrect, as we want also success, and based on the arguments above (popularity of name), this name would have more success. KimvdLinde 09:38, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

name change discussion closed
i think we should just close this discussion on the Rose-ringed Parakeet's name change. i am satisfied and agree with Rose-ringed Parakeet if everyone else is. Birdeditor 21:18, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

Picture
I think that the picture may be an alexandian parakeet. The name of the image is alaxandrian. Probably best to get another picture that is difinately a rose-ringed. Snowman 12:26, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
 * It is a Rose-ringed, alexandrian have red pathces on the wings. Can we rename the image? KimvdLinde 13:55, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

I think it's an alexandrian too. The color and size of the beak resembles the Alexandrian more then the Ringneck. It would probably be wise to get a picture that is defienately a Ring-neckVortmax 17:17, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

minimum cage size
I have changed the minimum cage size for Rose-ringed Parakeets in the "Rose-ringed parakeets as pets" section because I found out that most sites on the internet recommend 36" (90cm) high x 18" (45cm) deep x 24" (60cm) wide as the minimum cage size. Sorry for the mistake before. Birdeditor 14:05, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

"feral rose-ringed parakeets"
The "Feral Rose-ringed Parakeets" section in this article talks too specifically about Rose-rings in Britain. I think they should put down some more generic information. Birdeditor 14:08, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Additional relevant information would be welcome. Snowman 17:47, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

Photographs
The article has collected a good range of photographs. Can anyone identify any at the subspecies level to make the images more illustrative for the article? Although, the images are good, the article probably has too many images of one of the subspecies. Snowman (talk) 12:12, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

Can anyone tell my why Pakistan is not green in the map? As I have seen many of these species all over Pakistan. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.101.213.212 (talk) 04:45, 30 March 2011 (UTC)

links
I have just changed the translation into English for one link: the Portuguese word "criar" means to bring up [children], to breed or raise [animals] or to grow [plants], as well as to create. Therefore in this context "breeder" is more appropriate than "creator" as a translation of "criador". Heraldica (talk) 09:50, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

Distribution Map
The map as well as some information may not be acurate. The Indian rose ringed parakeet is not native to "only" southern India (wrong) but also Northern India where it is a common pest since ancient times.It also lives in Pakistan (formerly known as India)and adjacent regions of Iran (Balutchistan) and eastern Afghanistan. The birds haven't been introduced, they live there since ancient times.During colonial times this region was known as India which might have caused this faulty map. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.176.17.161 (talk) 14:17, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

Mimicry
The females are quite accomplished with talking, as well. That's something unique to rose-ringed parakeets, because in most birds of their size, only males can talk. Although she does not speak too clearly, you can make out a few things my DNA-tested Indian ringneck is saying here ("Wake up!", "thank you", "love you long time") There are likely better videos than this to back up my claim, but I'm not going to bother hunting for them. Revert my revision if you want, but I'm sticking to it because it's true. Thank you and have a wonderful day. 216.115.159.78 (talk) 06:09, 22 February 2010 (UTC) "Emotions similar to humans" is also quite true. Let's see... relaxed, annoyed, inquisitive, angry, happy. However, these are merely pictures showing the emotions rather than actual footage. Simply pouring through ringneck parakeet videos on YouTube would probably be better for showing their range of emotions- it doesn't need to be written by an "expert" in a book for it to be true if you can actually witness it for yourself. 216.115.159.78 (talk) 16:35, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

'South' London / North London
"There are two main population centres in Britain: the largest is based around south London, where they can be regularly seen in places such as Battersea Park, Richmond Park, and Hampstead Heath"

Hampstead Heath is in north London, not outh London. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.159.108.159 (talk) 18:55, 16 May 2012 (UTC)

I edited the article to refer to London, dropping South, and adding Hampstead Heath. The population appears to be increasing and spreading. They are now seen and heard in the Finsbury Park area. FixedIp — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.3.255.103 (talk) 13:46, 30 March 2013 (UTC)

Distribution - London etc
I just stumbled over information about the wild flocks of this bird that lives in the UK, particularly in London parks. It was completely unknown to me that such tropical birds could survive in the wild this far north. Curious I searched online, and found many sites mentioning this (and lots of images of flocks of birds), including an article on the BBC website at http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/3869815.stm that (amongst others) says: "Parrot Hotspots - These hundreds of e-mails [sent to BBC by BBC News Online Readers], including photographs, highlighted hotspots such as west of London, Surrey and parts of Kent. But there were also parrots reported in inner-London, including parks in Peckham, Brixton, Greenwich and Kensington. And a few parrots had been spotted in East Anglia, the North West and in Scotland. There were also sightings from readers overseas, reporting urban parrots in the Netherlands, Belgium, Germany, France, Spain and the United States."

The article (from 2004) also mentions that a research project says that the population of these birds is rising by a whooping 30% each year(!). It's also mentioned that Surrey stockbroker belt, a single sports ground is believed to be home to about 3,000 parrots...

Another article I read said that the birds are descendants of birds that were released in the 1990's. Yet another warned about a "parrot scam" going on, where traders in London offer “rare” parrots for sale to tourists and locals, charging up to 170 British pounds ($350 USD) and often claiming that the “parrots” can talk, while reality is that the "parrots" are these wild parakeets from London parks. The article says that there is an estimated 65,000 of them living in the wild and sadly adds that many of them die after being captured and sold.

There is a lot more information about this phenomenon online. Wouldn't this information be interesting to somehow include in this articles part about distribution?

Just a thought, thanks for listening! :)

Peapeam (talk) 10:41, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
 * As with many small populations, it's hard to say how much detail is appropriate - a common effect of putting too much in about one well-known population is that the article becomes unbalanced, failing to represent the fact that this is a species with a huge native range on two continents. (I've had this problem myself when adding information on small British populations to the wild boar and Eurasian beaver articles.) This information might better belong in the feral parrots article, or just by citing the relevant articles. As for how they survive in Britain: their native range borders on the very chilly Himalayas, and at least one survey has found London parrots tend to be quite large, a normal feature of cold-weather populations. Blythwood (talk) 02:18, 13 January 2015 (UTC)


 * There is a wild flock numbering over three thousand in Bakersfield, California as well. They escaped during a windstorm that ripped apart an aviary and built a wild population over the last forty years. This page lists none of the naturalization of this bird. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:306:3044:4200:BC64:5B7B:A7A5:E17B (talk) 18:16, 14 March 2015 (UTC)

Reproduction
In the article it is stated that in certain parts of the world, these birds mate for life. I live in an area where these birds have established themselves, much to my annoyance. Outside the breeding season they live in flocks and form pairs during the breeding season. It seems that some birds have a new partner the following season. An expert has told me that these birds renew their courtship every year. If a partner is no longer present or the relationship is not working out, a bird may look for a new partner. This means that while they are monogamous in the breeding season, they are not stricly monogamous. The expert has described the behaviour of the flocks as living in a datingsite. JHvW 08:28, 30 October 2017 (UTC)

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Alternative names in lead section
The lead section currently reads "The rose-ringed parakeet (Psittacula krameri), also known as the ringneck parrot (in aviculture) or the Kramer parrot ... " without any mention of the very common alternative "ring-necked parakeet". That name is used twice in the article body and 7 times in the references. Also, there is a redirect from "Ringnecked [sic] parakeet" to this article (although "ringnecked parakeet" without a hyphen is not used here). Can I suggest amending the opening sentence to read "The rose-ringed parakeet (Psittacula krameri), also known as the ring-necked parakeet or ringneck parrot (in aviculture) or the Kramer parrot ... " Masato.harada (talk) 13:41, 9 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Good point. I think that name used to be in the lede, but I guess that it got removed at some point. Done. Iloveparrots (talk) 19:27, 9 June 2024 (UTC)