Talk:Roseland Theater/Archive 1

Notes / To Do
-- Another Believer ( Talk ) 18:12, 8 January 2014 (UTC)
 * find source to verify 1933 construction
 * info about church
 * picture(s) of building

Given the building used to house a club, and since it currently includes a bar and restaurant, should this article be added to the categories "Nightclubs in Portland, Oregon" and/or "Restaurants in Portland, Oregon"? -- Another Believer ( Talk ) 18:53, 8 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Added, for now at least. -- Another Believer ( Talk ) 02:24, 9 January 2014 (UTC)

-- Another Believer ( Talk ) 00:03, 9 January 2014 (UTC)
 * difficult to differentiate between the restaurant/grill Roseland Grill and the restaurant/bar associated with Peter's Room

In your research, have you come across the year in which building construction was completed? 1933 has been mentioned as the year of completion since the articles origin, though I have not come across a reliable source to confirm this. -- Another Believer ( Talk ) 02:20, 9 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Yes. It was 1922. The church tore down the saloon, built the new building, and began using it, all in 1922. I haven't figured out how to add the construction year to the infobox. I don't think we can say that the opening date was 1922 since "opening" in the context of the article implies the opening of the nightclub. What's the best way to handle this? Finetooth (talk) 02:46, 9 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Diff. I am not sure there is anything to add to the infobox (year of construction), though I am kind of surprised that parameter is not part of the infobox. Category:1922 establishments in Oregon b/c of year the building was constructed. Should Category:1982 establishments in Oregon also be added, for the year the nightclub/concert venue opened? -- Another Believer ( Talk ) 02:53, 9 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Added to Category:1982 establishments in Oregon, for now at least. -- Another Believer ( Talk ) 04:41, 9 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Good catch. Looks good to me now. Nice photos too, btw. Finetooth (talk) 04:44, 9 January 2014 (UTC)

FT, thanks for adding the open-ended date range for Oregon Theater Management. I have yet to confirm if Oregon Theater Management is still the owner. Perhaps not, according to the biz link posted in the above section. -- Another Believer ( Talk ) 18:00, 9 January 2014 (UTC)
 * We can alter the range if you find new info. Finetooth (talk) 18:26, 9 January 2014 (UTC)

Thoughts on whether or not the History section needs subsections for organizational/flow purposes? -- Another Believer ( Talk ) 18:01, 9 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Yes. I added three subheads to see how that would look. I had to invent a subhead for the Roseland subsection to avoid repeating the article title as a subhead. Not at all sure my invention is the best possible. Have a whack at it if you like. Also, the last subsection, "Reception" is too short to look good. Maybe we can expand it. If not, maybe it could just be tacked onto the third subsection. Another problem with the third subsection, at least on my computer screen, is that the embedded image overlaps the section break. We might use a "clear" template; better would be to expand the text in the third subsection. Your thoughts? Finetooth (talk) 18:26, 9 January 2014 (UTC)
 * I went ahead and changed the subsection title to Roseland Theater. Is it a no-no to have a section called the same thing as the article title? Regarding the Reception section, I do think it can be expanded. Work in progress... -- Another Believer ( Talk ) 18:31, 9 January 2014 (UTC)
 * It is usually best avoided, but this case seems to be an exception. The pattern, first it was this, then this, then this, feels right. BTW, I thought you would like the bit about the orchestra and quartets that I added this morning. Also, I thought of another theme running through the article that can't be made explicit because no RS will have put it quite this way: all the property owners wanted to be at this location because of its association with sin. :-)
 * Moving the marquee image to the right solved the layout problem, btw. The Reception section looks better too because of the image move. Finetooth (talk) 18:41, 9 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Yes, the music bit is a great addition. Would you consider your work on the church section complete? Glad to hear, re: image move. -- Another Believer ( Talk ) 18:45, 9 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Yes, done with the church, I think. What an interesting article this has turned out to be. Finetooth (talk) 18:58, 9 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Indeed. Thanks, just trying to gauge which parts are done and which require expansion. Might you be willing to incorporate the above WW links into the Starry Night section, and I can take on the biz source? I am not sure the WW links contain any new information, so it would really just be adding inline citations to support the prose with additional refs. -- Another Believer ( Talk ) 19:02, 9 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Sure. Finetooth (talk) 20:49, 9 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Thank you. -- Another Believer ( Talk ) 22:31, 9 January 2014 (UTC)

1991 is a somewhat confusing year to write about. New management, Oregon Theater Management vs. Double Tee, etc. Any help with deciphering and coming up with the best wording for the article would be much appreciated. -- Another Believer ( Talk ) 16:33, 29 January 2014 (UTC)
 * My understanding is that in 1991, OTM owned the building and Double Tee managed operations. A few years later (exact date unknown), DT and/or D. Leiken purchased the building. I am not sure of the best way to differentiate DT and Leiken in terms of ownership.-- Another Believer ( Talk ) 17:41, 29 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Update: In December 1995, The Oregonian said Leiken would be purchasing and renovating the building within the next few months, which means I am putting 1996 as the year of transition in the infobox. -- Another Believer ( Talk ) 18:26, 29 January 2014 (UTC)

I think I have completed my research for this article, at least for now. More work would be required for a featured article (aka combing through the Oregonian archives for a more thorough list of bands that have performed at the venue), but I think this article definitely meets GA criteria and provides a solid overview and history of the building. I have nominated the article for a copy edit by the Guild of Copy Editors. Would you do me the honor of co-nominating this article for Good status? You conducted research and supplied content just as much as I did. I am happy to submit the review request. -- Another Believer ( Talk ) 18:31, 29 January 2014 (UTC)


 * Sure. That's very kind of you. Finetooth (talk) 20:32, 29 January 2014 (UTC)

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