Talk:Rosenrot/Archive 1

ein lied
i think ein lied has just bass and no acoustic guitars, oh and if they play a rosenrot tour maybe schneider go out in the rubber boat 'cause at least he won't play in the song.

It's Rose-Red (or Rose Red), not red rose
The Grimm tale is called "Schneeweißchen und Rosenrot" in German.

"red rose" is just "rote Rose".

It was mistaken on the Rammstein page too.


 * Yea, sorry about that little error. I was in a rush. --Der Sporkmeister 00:09, 10 September 2005 (UTC)

Bonus DVD
1/Nimes,france 2/Kangawa,japan 3/London,uk (It was mistaken.Not Kangawa but Kanagawa.And Kanagawa is not tokyo.)

Track Listing
Is there actually a source avaliable for the track listing that was placed on this article? If one is not provided, I am removing it. --Der Sporkmeister 00:11, 10 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Weel, seems like features a playlist posted in . However this cannot be treated as official in any way and should be labeled as rumor. -KeyStorm 01:41, 10 September 2005 (UTC)

There's an official tracklist found on Rammstein's website. 

- Broodwich 4:52 PM, 26 October 2005 (UTC)


 * I know that. You're a bit late. --Der Sporkmeister 18:21, 26 October 2005 (UTC)

Feuer und Wasser grammar
Well, the article says that "Feuer und Wasser kommt nicht zusammen" is wrongly written, while I think it's not. I understand kommt is imperative, so Till would be telling fire and water not to come together. Despite in the next lines, Till refers to them in 3rd person. However, interpreted, he and the woman are fire and water themselves, so it's not a big deal swapping verb persons. -KeyStorm 16:59, 11 November 2005 (UTC)

It's not imperative. I believe that would be "kommen Sie nicht zusammen." German has sentence structures that are more attuned to Middle English, not modern English. It seems to me that the grammatical error is intentional, as it creates a paradoxical sentence: if fire and water are not together, then they should not be a singular verb but Till sings as if they are, implying that he wants them to be as one, although they are not. I suppose that I should not mix poetry with grammar. --Blutpanzer 08:02, 22 July 2006 (UTC)


 * I'm not so sure about it not being imperative. I'm Dutch, not German, so I don't have a native speaker's assessment of the situation, but I do know that in Dutch "Kom(m)t" is an archaic imperative. If the same applies to German and 'kommt zusammen' is a viable old german imperative, then that certainly fits in well with Rammstein's tendency to use archaïc german in its songs. Robrecht 03:12, 17 October 2006 (UTC)


 * It can be both the imperative and the 3rd person singular form of the verb. So although KeyStorm might be right, I think that Blutpanzer is right, i.e. that it would roughly translate to "Fire and water does not come together". --Oagersnap 20:47, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Spring
doesn't the narrator go on the bridge and push the man down, rather than the man jumping of his own accord?

-Yep.

There is a massive flaw in your review of the song. It says the man wants to commit suicide, but he doesn't! Till sings "Ich wollte nur zur Aussicht gehen" (I just wanted to take a sight), so he didn't want to commit suicide at all!

-TRA


 * TRA, as I understand the lyrics of 'Spring', the entire scene depicts a desperate man's cry for attention and help. He gets on that bridge only to discover that he's not going to get any support from his fellow men, he panics, changes his mind and starts making excuses ("I only wanted to see the view"). Note the man's hesitation even before the crowd gathers and also the tone used by Till for his part - It seems to me that the redemption he requests is in a broader sense than just letting him off the bridge. --Red Plague 20:06, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

"Ich wollte nur zur Aussicht gehen" from the Spring lyrics, clearly mean what Red plague said, "I only wanted to see the view" --Nátthrafn 20:20, 17 October 2006 (UTC)


 * I agree with Red Plague. In the beginning, he is discribed as having his "arms raised" and "hesitating", so I think it's just an excuse when he says that he just wanted to see the view. --Oagersnap 20:52, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Carmen Zapata & age of songs
"It has been rumoured that Till is currently dating Carmen Zapata" Carmen Zapata is 78 years old, i'm sure they're not dating, so I removed that. Secondly, what's the sources for that five songs would be new and six songs old? I know for a fact that is wrong since Mann Gegen Mann is originally from the Mutter sessions, but I don't know what the right number would be so I'll let that stay... /Hugoflug 19:10, 11 December 2005 (UTC)

Genre
Rammstein is not Tanz-Metal. More like Industrial Metal.


 * Well, Rammstein described themselves as Tanz-Metal, so... &#126;MDD4696 04:14, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

But that is stupid, exuse me, they still play industrial metal, there is nothing "tanzy" about it. -BugsyAbsolute


 * Not in your jurisdiction, Bugsy. The band call themselves Tanz Metall; we call them Tanz Metall. Blutpanzer 08:03, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

If they call themselves Tanz-metall, how can you deny that they are? It's not like that is a pre-existent genre. Rammstein created it. Besides, do you even know what Tanz means in German? --Nátthrafn 20:14, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

U.S. RELEASE?!?!?!?!?!?!?!!!?????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!?!?!?!!!??!!!!!!?
DOSE ANY1 NO WHEN THEY R GOING TO RELASE THIS MOTHER IN THE FRIGGEN US OF A??!?!!?! MY GOD ITS LIKE WE DONT EVEN EXIST OVER HERE. THERES NO MENTION ANYWHAR OF A US REALASE AND NOBODY SEEMS TO CARE. NO. NOBODY CARES. NOBODY CARES ABOUT ME AND SO IM GONNA GO HOME AND CRY ABOUT IT
 * (Maybe it's already been released in the US, since Germany is a part of Amerika according to the band...) Shawnc 02:38, 17 February 2006 (UTC)

LOL, that was awsome Everything Inane 06:44, 17 February 2006 (UTC)

- From herzeleid.com, March the 28th. Typing in capitals with such terrible spelling isn't cool...my retinas are bleeding. b0red 08:07, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

whore/bitch
Because I don't speak English good and of some edits (like this one) I want to know the difference between whore and bitch. This might sounds funny, but I don't know the difference. --Athalis 20:50, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

- A whore is a prostitute. A bitch is an unkind/unfriendly female. b0red 08:04, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

Link to the video
I found a link to the video on google video. If this link isn't allowed, feel free to remove it. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 86.130.74.104 (talk • contribs) 21:02, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

Mann gegen Mann video
Flake confirmed in online interviews that the band was indeed naked in the MGM video, the transcripts of which can be found at herzeleid.com among other places. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.111.183.63 (talk • contribs) 18:46, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

About the song Benzin
The band has said Benzin is their tribute to their sort of "pyromania", as in how much pyro work they use during their live shows (I distinctly remember Ollie mentioning that somewhere sometime), there is however much speculation over whether Benzin really does refer to high gas prices...Paul has said on more than one occasion that they're not really a political band.


 * The denial of being a political band is more to defend against accusations of National Socialism. Blutpanzer 08:04, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

iTunes
I just bought this album on iTunes today and it had 12 tracks. The 12th track sounds like it might be a remix of Benzin, but I'm not sure. Does anyone have any information on this 12th track? Thanks! -- Toksyuryel talk 03:20, 10 August 2006 (UTC)


 * apparently it is Benzin (Smallstars Remix by Ad Rock) stolenbyme 17:26, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Interpretation of Rosenrot is grossly misleading
This song has nothing to do with premarital sex and the lines quoted are being presented in a (purposely?) misleading context.

In the end it's NOT both of them who fall to the ground. "Und ein Schrei tut jedem kund/Beide fallen in dem Grund" (And a scream tells everyone around/Both are falling to the ground) refers to the man and the loose stone he tripped on and NOT the girlfriend!

The song is about how traditions can make people do stupid things - as well as how devastating it is to be manipulated by the one you love. "important warning against the dangers of premarital sex"? That's pretty much nonsense there, cowboy...

I second that motion


 * Actually, I'm of the opinion that the 'both' refers to the man and the rose. The man, by this point in the song, has already reached the top of the mountain, he doesn't care about the view, but cares only about the rose. "Er bringt es seiner Liebsten hin (he takes it to his beloved" means that he is already on his way back down. This is when the stone slips from under his foot. From the point of the song this makes much more sense than mentioning the stone, as the rose is the subject of the song. Robrecht 03:23, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

A few things...
First of all: it says at the interpretation of "feuer und wasser" that, qoute, "Till details how the man explodes in sexual anticipation and RAPES her."..what the hell?! theres not even a hint to rape in the songs lyrics...i don`t know how other people see things, but in my opinion "Ich halt sie fest mit nassen Händen" ("I grab her with wet hands") does not meen "I'm rapeing her"... + don`t say "Till", its Till's character or the narator, anyway you like it, but not "Till".

secondly: the interpretation of spring reads, that the song "is about a man who climbs high onto a bridge just to see the view"... i dont realy think this is an accurate interpretation, since, the song doesnt reveal the characters true intention: he might have gotten on the brige to jump, and later lied about it, or he realy only wanted to see the veiw... either way, note that we only hear two subjective reports of the story:

a) Till character who see's the man has wanting to commit suicid, but hesitates

b)the main characters, who's interst is to save he's life => he wont hesitate to lie

thirdly: rosenrot...OMG!!!! who wrote that?! WHO THE HELL WROTE THAT?!!!!! i mean "dangers of premaritial sex" ?! That sounds like Mr. Lindemman`s newest hobby is lecturing peopel on the importance of contraceptives...LOL.....but ok let me bring up a few reasons why i think that the persent interpretation of the song is bullscheise:

a) just becaus it says "liebsten" doesent make it 100% sure that the charaters are not married

b)THE GIRFREIND DOESE NOT DIE!!! the line: "Beide fallen in den Grund" ("Both are falling to the ground") refers to the main character of the song ( the girls "sweetheart") and the stone that breaks of the mountain...its called personification For Gods sake!!! the stone is personified, thats why Mr. Lindemann uses "beide" (both). If you dont believe me here, se it for youreself: "An seinen Stiefeln bricht ein Stein/ Will nicht mehr am Felsen sein/ Und ein Schrei tut jedem kund/ Beide fallen in den Grund" ("At his boots, a stone breaks/ Doesn't want to be on the cliff anymore/ And a scream lets everyone know/ Both are falling to the ground")

c) nowhere does the song directly mention intercourse, and, i personaly cant find any metaphor, or allegory, that does so..well maybe "Tiefe Brunnen muss man graben", but that seems very, very far fetched in my eyes..

well thats about it...thanks in advance :)

p.s.: sorry about my grammer...

Benzin
Benzin: "this is a reference to high petrol prices being experienced in (for example) Australia, United States and United Kingdom".... This statement makes it sound like these are the only countries in the world which are experiencing high petrol prices. I live in the Netherlands and petrol is about €1.50 /litre. In the United States I think it's about Us$0.85/litre or there abouts and Australia probably Au$1.40/litre. When you do the currency conversions, then the Netherlands and hence Europeans pay a lot more than the Americans/Australians. So the phrase should be "is a reference to record high petrol prices across the world". Rammstein is a German band I doubt they would sing a song about American, Australian and British Petrol Prices. This is an English language wikipedia but the articles should try not showing bias towards English speaking countries. 124.177.37.139 02:49, 25 August 2006 (UTC)