Talk:Rosie Stephenson-Goodknight/Archive 1

Connection to subject
For what it's worth, I have worked a little on this article, and I know the subject; specifically/most significantly, we worked together to plan and run the Wikipedia 15 event in San Francisco, and we are both on the Signpost editorial board. -Pete (talk) 04:54, 15 July 2016 (UTC)


 * Me too. Heck, everyone knows Rosie.   Montanabw (talk)  06:41, 15 July 2016 (UTC)


 * Note censorship of my previous comments about this article by a connected contributor. DracoE 15:59, 20 July 2016 (UTC)
 * FYI per a deleted comment, I did not add the links to my blog in this article. I merely corrected the spelling of my name in a link to my blog that another editor added. Funcrunch (talk) 19:17, 20 July 2016 (UTC)
 * I understand some skepticism here (Wikipedia editors editing an article about a Wikipedian), but I don't think eliminating the fact that Stephenson-Goodknight was named a co-Wikipedian of the Year altogether is particularly helpful. Surely the WMF blog verifying this claim is appropriate. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 19:22, 20 July 2016 (UTC)

Notability and sourcing
A number of sources have been removed by, who has also questioned the overall notability of the subject. One important point: a source need not rise to the level of establishing notability to be reliable enough to use in the article. This is, regrettably, something Wikipedia content guidelines don't elaborate very clearly. If there's a notability question, that should be dealt with first, so we can make a determination about whether the article should stay or not; but that point has no bearing on whether (say) a blog post can be used to establish an uncontroversial fact. -Pete (talk) 20:16, 20 July 2016 (UTC)


 * and others, your comments are appreciated. Feel free to re-add all the blog-sourced fluff to the article. I won't fight you. However, I guess you're all aware that if you were to do so, this would open the floodgates to hundreds of new articles sourced mainly to blogs. Folks may even be tempted to recreate the article about the inimitable Ms Stierch, who, after all, is still a mover and shaker in Wikiwonderland. Her article had far better sources than the one about Ms Stephenson-Goodknight before it got deleted on compassionate grounds. And here's my thing: You and your fellow believers in the goodness of this here site are always quick to big up one of your own by writing lavish articles about them when they're on a high, sourcing policy be damned – until they mess up, in which case their article will be deleted, stat. How about according the same level of courtesy to people who don't want an article about themselves on here? Also, I think that by now, there should be a rule outlawing HuffPo blog posts as sources. http://www.salon.com/2015/10/28/wil_wheaton_is_right_stop_expecting_artists_to_work_for_free_or_worse_exposure/ What good is a source that anyone willing to contribute for free can use and abuse? Imagine a certain wannabe Wikipedia critic and Comcast employee cottoning on to the fact that he can vent his rage against a certain co-founder of this here website as a HuffPo blogger for free, now that the previous outlet willing to publish his emanations has gone the way of the Norwegian Blue? Questions, questions. Of course, you and your colleagues coming down hard on HuffPo blogs would allow me to finally "fix" the BLPs of some people who got on the wrong side of yet another unpaid HuffPo contributor with a grudge, but that's a minor point, surely? DracoE 08:18, 21 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Drop it, Draco. Primary sources can be used as verification of personal life details, and a WP:NEWSBLOG is also an acceptable source.  You can take these issues to the relevant drama boards if it is that important to you; but do remember to avoid personal attacks.   Montanabw (talk)  23:54, 21 July 2016 (UTC)
 * This here talk page does not exist for the purpose of discussing Sarah, Greg, or any topic besides how Wikipedia should (or shouldn't) cover Rosie. Almost nothing you've had to say here, Draco, appears to serve that purpose. If it's within your skillset to tame your caustic tongue enough to compose a respectful AFD nomination, that might be worth doing; I can't see how a notability review would hurt anybody. I'm not about to start that discussion, because I don't really care too much one way or the other, and if Rosie objects to the article's existence, I'm not aware of it. But perhaps you do care. If you do so, I'd urge you to keep your broad speculations out of it, insofar as they don't directly relate to the subject of this article. -Pete (talk) 00:46, 22 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Oh Horse Lady, you just made my day by restoring that article to its former blog-filled glory. I reckon this means I can now link to young Milo's self-published nastiness and Wikipedia contributions as a pretend German national in his WP biography without fear of retribution. Wheeee! (Sorry for that Sue Gardner moment. I loves me a middle-aged lady trying to talk like a teenager. Then again, I'm a middle-aged parent, unlike most of you. Them little darlings would laugh you out of the building if you were to try and co-opt their mangled language du jour (manglguage? can we have that on Wiktionary if I were to write a blog post about it? purty please, with a *neigh* thrown in for good measure? No offense, Horse Lady. like I said, you made my day.) in real life. Wheeee indeed.) Apologies to you, oh mighty Pete, for trying to make this about the big picture yet again. I have no truck with Ms Stephenson-Goodknight other than the fact that I think she should be stopped from trying to introduce my fellow xx chromosome bearers to the misery that is this here site. Believe me, I've looked at it from all angles and while I still think there are quite a few good people of both sexes on here, they're clearly wasting their time trying to make a very, very bad thing look good. As for my "caustic tongue," you should meet my real-life friends. Apparently I'm quite nice and helpful. But being nice won't get you anywhere on here. Feel free to peruse my talk page history to witness yet another story of a contributor evolving from eager-beaver believer to critic. You know what did it for me? This here site imposing a notable person's slave name on them, based on a HuffPo blog post written by a guy who had a beef with that notable person. To this day, that article is owned by that particular obsessive. Oh, and then there was the incident of me nominating the article about a notable person's kid for deletion. By then, I was already familiar with your asinine rules. So I attacked the sources rather than the complete lack of empathy displayed by the article's creator. Felt right dirty for doing so. But got lucky. Le sigh. There are days when I wish I had your ros(i)e-tinted view of what this place is all about. Today is not one of them. DracoE 04:33, 22 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Hey, Pete, what's with you reverting my contributions to this talk page? It makes you look like you're ashamed of something. Are you? DracoE 18:43, 22 July 2016 (UTC)

Picture without a T-shirt
I think we need to use a picture of Rosie where she is not wearing a T-shirt. After all, she is a minor Serbian nobility.

Here is my proposed photo. Please discuss. Geraldshields11 (talk) 22:13, 21 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Dear Please comment on the possible change in the photos. Geraldshields11 (talk) 21:57, 9 November 2018 (UTC)

item note
hi all. I guess we will see if we can find a way to add the info about 6,000,000th edit, to this article as well!! I guess we can wait a while, to see if some reliable sources out there give us some good article to use as citations. glad to see this article here. see you!! --Sm8900 (talk) 20:28, 24 January 2020 (UTC)
 * this is now done. ✅ --Sm8900 (talk) 03:31, 27 January 2020 (UTC)

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 * Knight of the St. Sava Order of Diplomatic Pacifism ceremony 2018 - Rosie Stephenson-Goodknight (cropped).jpg