Talk:Rosmalen Grass Court Championships

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Request for wider input on discussion at WikiProject Tennis
There is a long, ongoing discussion at WP:Tennis about the tournament tables found in tennis articles on English-language Wikipedia (e.g., this type of table). The discussion is about whether the "official sponsored name" of a tournament - such as Pacific Life Open - or another tournament name without the sponsor - such as Indian Wells Masters - must be used in those articles. Please join the discussion here. Thanks. Tennis expert (talk) 08:44, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

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The result of the move request was: page moved. While titles are generally singular, I suspect that this one may be correct with the plural form. Vegaswikian (talk) 23:41, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

UNICEF Open → Rosmalen Grass Court Championships – This tournament has been around since 1990 with 5 different sponsors and Tennis Project consensus has been to name things with their non-sponsored names. Obviously it could not remain the Ordina Open because that sponsor has left but really it should be renamed the "Rosmalen Grass Court Championships" as it was when it was non-sponsored in it's first 5 years. Otherwise we have to do this every couple years. I realize this isn't something like Queens Club which was named as such for 50 years before being sponsored. This tourney has been sponsored for 16 of it's 21 years so this is a little trickier to do right and isn't black and white like so many other tournaments. For consistency withing tennis project I would go with "Rosmalen Grass Court Championships" but welcome other input. Fyunck(click) (talk) 07:54, 8 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Support per nom. Kurdo777 (talk) 22:25, 9 June 2011 (UTC)
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Notes on move
This new title seems a bit clunky. May I suggest it becomes the Rosmalen Championships, in much the same way that the Queen's Club Championships have been simplified from being known once as the London Grass Court Championships? Oh...and this tournament was sponsored for the first five years by Continental (source: World of Tennis 1991). Totalinarian (talk) 15:36, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

Requested move 5 June 2022
Rosmalen Grass Court Championships → 's-Hertogenbosch Open – When we need to write a titlename for a page, a tournament in this case, WP:COMMONNAME and WP:CRITERIA policy say we should use a title which is commonly used in reliable sources, which should also be short, recognizable, distinguishable, natural, and the actual one isn't. A google search for it gives back just 173.000 results. It's very unpopular choice. It has to be changed for sure. I did some research on the possible alternative names from reliable sources ( official website of the tournament, official professional men's and women's circuit, thas is ATP and WTA) and tested them by using google search. I report in a descending order of popularity what i've found:


 * 1) 's-Hertogenbosch Open 7.670.000 vs. Rosmalen Open 8.350.000.
 * 2) ATP 's-Hertogenbosch 1.260.000 results vs. ATP Rosmalen 251.000.
 * 3) WTA 's-Hertogenbosch 1.380.000 vs. WTA Rosmalen 516.000.
 * 4) Libéma Open 211.000
 * 5) 's-Hertogenbosch Grass Court Championships 44.300 vs. Rosmalen Grass Court Championships 173.000. This last choice is the very name used in wikipedia, which has the lowest popularity of all the Rosmalen* variants, thus as i said above, by all means it needs to be changed.

So, summing all the previous results by city names to see which one gets the highest grade of popularity, that is what people are referring to when they ask google for this tournament Rosmalen* is cited 8.350.000 + 516.000 + 173.000 + 251.000 = 9.290.000 times 's-Hertogenbosch* is cited 7.670.000 + 1.260.000 + 1.380.000 + 44.300= 10.354,300 times. By the argument made, Rosmalen is less popular than 's-Hertogenbosch. Regarding what exact title we need to pick, again the results above say the most popular searched choice is 's-Hertogenbosch Open, therefore this has to be the nametitle to pick. Opencross (talk) 20:09, 5 June 2022 (UTC)

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So that involved editors on this talk page may be made fully aware, the page move request is presently taking place: Please continue there.  P.I. Ellsworth &thinsp;, ed.  put'r there 10:58, 6 June 2022 (UTC)
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 * Note - Result was "Not Moved." Fyunck(click) (talk) 19:15, 12 June 2022 (UTC)

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 * Note - Result was "Not Moved." Fyunck(click) (talk) 19:15, 12 June 2022 (UTC)