Talk:Ross School of Business

Schools' centers
The school runs a number of centers which might also be described. The links are found here, some of which might be added:

http://www.bus.umich.edu/FacultyResearch/ResearchCenters/ American Customer Satisfaction Index (ACSI) Center for Global Resource Leverage: IndiaCenter for International Business Education (CIBE) Center for Positive Organizational Scholarship (POS) Collaboratory for Research on Electronic Work (CREW) East Asia Management Development Center Mitsui Life Financial Center National Quality Research Center (NQRC) Nonprofit and Public Management Center Paton Center for Research in Accounting Center for Venture Capital and Private Equity FinanceTax Policy Research, Office of Tozzi Finance Center The Yaffe Center for Persuasive Communication

POV
I think this article reads a little too much like a promo. If the superlatives could be removed and the facts given more prominence it would be a fine article. --Tony Sidaway|Talk 00:41, 28 May 2005 (UTC)
 * I agree, based on Avoid_academic_boosterism so I'm moving the cleanup marker to the main page, rather than the talk page. I hope we can track down some information about the history of the school, its founding, etc., rather than focusing only on the changes made by the most recent administration. Mamawrites 05:25, 5 August 2005 (UTC)


 * Given the POV problems associated with the rankings, I have decided to move it here to the talk page. Since I have also added some information concerning history (with the little information that I have obtained so far), I decided to remove the cleanup tag for now. If someone believes that the article is still in need of a cleanup, replace the cleanup tag and give a reason for it. I appreciate the help if someone provides it. PentawingTalk 02:40, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

Rankings

 * B-School Average ranking from Business Week for the period 1988 to 2004
 * Northwestern	1.56
 * Wharton	2.44
 * Harvard	3.67
 * Chicago	5.00
 * Michigan	5.56
 * Stanford	6.67
 * Columbia	8.11
 * Dartmouth	9.33

Between 1988 and 2004, the school's position in BusinessWeek's biennial business school ranking has averaged around #5 and #6. BusinessWeek also ranks major academic divisions/disciplines; all of the school's divisions ranked in the top five in all nine surveys of the past twenty years. The magazine has consistently rated the major disciplines of the University of Michigan Business School in the top five since it launched its biannual ranking of professional schools in 1988. Only three other business schools can make this claim.

When BusinessWeek Online announced its "Top Ten Management Gurus," based on surveying executives worldwide, Michigan professors Dave Ulrich (rated number one), Noel Tichy, C. K. Prahalad and Michigan alumnus Gary Hamel, PhD 1990, dominated the list.

BusinessWeek's "The Best B-Schools" report of October 2004 ranked the business school sixth overall among the best business schools, and fourth in leadership for its training efforts. In the same report, under the "Best and Brightest" category for schools that produce graduates with the best skills, the business school ranked:
 * 3 in Marketing
 * 5 in General Management
 * 7 in Ethics
 * 8 in Global Scope

In other BusinessWeek rankings, the MBA program was given an overall rank:
 * 2006 - 5
 * 2004 - 6
 * 2002 - 8
 * 2000 - 6
 * 1998 - 4
 * 1996 - 2
 * 1994 - 6
 * 1992 - 5
 * 1990 - 7
 * 1988 - 6

In its Executive Education Rankings, BusinessWeek ranked the business school:
 * 2003 - 3
 * 2001 - 3
 * 1999 - 2
 * 1997 - 2
 * 1991 - 1

In the Wall Street Journal/Harris Interactive Survey Rankings (2006):
 * 1 National School Overall Ranking
 * Nomination(s) for academic excellence for the year 2006
 * No. 2 for Marketing
 * No. 4 for Operations Management
 * No. 4 for General Management
 * No. 6 for Social Responsibility
 * No. 6 for Strategy
 * No. 8 for Accounting
 * No. 9 for Finance

In the Wall Street Journal/Harris Interactive Survey Rankings (2005):
 * Nomination(s) for academic excellence for the year 2005
 * 2 National School Overall Ranking
 * 2 National School Marketing
 * 4 National School Operations Management
 * 4 National School for Recruiting Woman
 * 1 National School for Recruiting Minorities
 * 10 National School for Ethics

The Wall Street Journal/Harris Interactive Guide to Business Schools: Recruiters' Top Picks 2005, released in September 2004, ranked the business school:
 * 1 national ranking - Top North American Schools
 * 2 in academic excellence for Marketing
 * 4 in academic excellence for Operations Management
 * 7 Top International Schools
 * 9 in academic excellence for Accounting
 * 1 for hiring minorities
 * 5 for hiring women

U.S. News and World Report (April 2004) ranked Michigan's Executive MBA program as the #1 public EMBA program. In its "America's Best Colleges 2005" report, Michigan ranked:
 * 2 in Management undergraduate programs
 * 2 in Marketing undergraduate programs
 * 3 in Finance undergraduate programs

U.S. News and World Report's Departmental Excellence Ratings (2002) placed Michigan in the top five for strength "across the board."

U.S. News & World Report's Best Undergraduate Business Program rankings (2006) placed Michigan third, tied with University of California-Berkley. This is the highest rating for any public university.

The Financial Times' Special Report on Executive Education (2005, released May 2004) ranked Michigan:
 * 3 in Program Design
 * 4 for Quality of Program Faculty
 * Among the top 10 for Skills and Learning, Food and Accommodations, and Relevance of Teaching Materials

Job Placement
http://education.yahoo.com/college/essentials/school_rankings/biz/best_career_prospects.html

2007 Top Ten Business Schools with the Best Career Prospects Provided by The Princeton Review

The business world is about the bottom line and the bottom dollar, and students who pursue an MBA enjoy a major return on their investment. To determine the schools on this list, The Princeton Reivew looked at institutional data concerning job placement and average starting salary of students after graduation. In addition, The Princeton Review asked students to discuss the efforts of their career placement office, the quality of recruiting companies, their level of preparation, and more. According to The Princeton Review’s annual survey of 18,000 business school students at the nation’s Best 282 Business Schools, these ten schools offer their students the best career prospects.

The Career Management Center at Stanford doesn’t have to do a whole lot; companies come looking for Stanford MBAs without much prompting. In addition to great career services, students agree that Stanford has a “strong alumni network where you can get help when needed.”
 * 1) Stanford University (Stanford, California)

Overall, Chicago graduates find jobs and are well-placed in their field, and school-facilitated sources account for over 80 percent of all hires. One student points out that Chicago “is one of only a few schools to have been at the top for nearly 100 years, so there is an amazing, deep alumni network of professionals” who are “very excited to help build presence at their firms.”
 * 2) University of Chicago (Chicago, Illinois)

When it’s time to find a job, the students at UC Berkeley’s Haas School of Business benefit from their program’s high profile and sound reputation. In addition, the Haas Career Center provides a broad range of excellent services including one-on-one advisement and a mentoring program in which second-year students counsel first years in their search for internships.
 * 3)University of California--Berkeley (Berkeley, California)

Michigan’s Ross School of Business “literally has the largest alumni network of any business school in the world.” The desirability of Ross MBAs can be seen in the geographic diversity of their first-job locations. While one in three remains in the Midwest, others head everywhere from the mid-Atlantic to the Pacific Coast to companies outside of the United States.
 * 4) University of Michigan—Ann Arbor (Ann Arbor, Michigan)

Columbia’s MBA Career Services Office benefits from a propitious location in the financial capital of the world. The office helps students coordinate internship and employment searches and also provides a “range of complementary resources from intimate workshops on interviewing and presentation skills to a five-part course on different aspects of the job.”
 * 5) Columbia University (New York, New York)

Wharton is a brand that pretty much sells itself so it’s no surprise that the school’s career services are highly regarded and widely appreciated by students. Mock interviews, internship placement, one-on-one counseling, and over 25 career paths both in and outside the United States are just some of the reasons students praise Wharton’s “fantastic career opportunities.” Being situated between Wall Street and Midtown definitely has its perks for Stern’s Office of Career Development. As one student says, “There is a huge emphasis on career here.” Stern’s NYC location “is a mecca for several key industries and provides Stern students with a broad range of opportunities that meet their career objectives.” Harvard University (Cambridge, Massachusetts)
 * 6)University of Pennsylvania (Philadelphia, Pennsylvania)
 * 7)New York University (New York, New York)


 * 8)Harvard Business School hardly needs a Career Development Center any more than Rolls Royce needs salesman to move its cars. The school maintains a robust career services office all the same, providing a full complement of counseling and placement services. Over 800 companies pay recruiting visits to the campus and half of all MBAs remain on the East Coast after graduation.

UCLA students are in the fortunate position of being able to draw upon an alumni network that includes more than 33,000 “corporate executives, entrepreneurs, consultants, film producers, high tech innovators, financiers, and other professionals.” Students say, “The school makes good use of its alumni network and the diverse industries in the Los Angeles area.”
 * 9)University of California—Los Angeles (Los Angeles, California)

Northwestern students are confident that their school has a “sterling reputation among corporate recruiters.” Marketing, finance, and consulting recruiters from major firms are particularly well-represented, and the networking opportunities are “tremendous.”
 * 10)Northwestern University (Evanston, Illinois)

Faculty
The Academy of Management Journal, in its most recent ranking (2000), ranked the faculty in the top two for research performance among business schools. The National Black MBA Association named the University of Michigan Business School the "Outstanding Educational Institution of the Year" in 2001. Hispanic Business magazine rated the University of Michigan Business School as one of the 10 best graduate schools in the nation for Hispanics.

Rankings Commentary
I'm curious as to why the rankings were moved to the discussion page? I read a lot of blather about NPOV. My take is that rankings by national publications -- however subjective the underlying methodolgy used to construct those rankings -- are the closest thing to objective that one will find. One might argue about the subjectivity of the adjectives and adverbs used in the article, while rankings have at least some objective legitimacy. Putting the rankings on the main page offers reasonably objective metrics for the quality of the school. While Wikipedia is not supposed to be an advertisement for a particular school, the university's public status makes in ripe for under-ranking. If rankings are included for other schools, I believe they should be included in this article as well. This isn't a trivial issue, it is actually a pretty serious econometric issue: many schools have a certain luster conveyed by "reputation", and their graduates benefit greatly -- in a dollars and cents sort of way -- thereby and reputation reportage reinforces reputation, however well or ill deserved. I believe that the playing field should be level for all schools: excise rankings for every school, or include rankings for every school. With respect, I'd be interested in "pushback" from the editor who moved the rankings. 66.65.76.15 01:20, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
 * The way the rankings were listed previously was a major reason why this article was marked with a cleanup tag (which in my opinion is a major blemish on an article, especially if the tag stayed up for more than half a year). Even though rankings might appear to be objective, listing only the rankings that praise the school without listing some critism to counter the boosterism could bring a lot of complaints (which almost cost the UM article its featured status some time ago). If you have a better way of listing the rankings without having complaints with the likes of Tony Sideways and Mamawrites, go ahead. PentawingTalk 04:48, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
 * After looking over the previously listed rankings data, I came up with the following summary paragraph. However, I would like to see some criticism of the business school so that someone else does not decide to slap a cleanup or POV violation tag on this article.


 * The Ross School has highly ranked MBA and Executive Education programs. Publications such as US News and World Report, BusinessWeek, The Wall Street Journal, and the Financial Times have ranked both the school's undergraduate and professional programs highly, in many cases in the top ten in the U.S.


 * PentawingTalk 05:20, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

Category
This article is listed under a category, University of Michigan, that itself is a subcategory of Ann Arbor, Michigan. Therefore it seems there's no need for it to appear under the Ann Arbor cat as well; this makes the architecture of the Ann Arbor cat and its subcats confusing and redundant. I'm removing the Ann Arbor cat, but if anyone objects, feel free to comment or revert. Ropcat 21:20, 24 July 2005 (UTC)

Wrong US News Ranking
It refers to business school ranking among the public universities(since obviously, #1 business school was always wharton..) I don't have access to US News Ranking, so can somebody do that? Merumerume 18:29, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

Massive duplication
Can something be done to eliminate the massive duplication of alumni names that appear in BOTH this article AND List of University of Michigan business alumni? There isn't any good reason to have (exactly?) the same (lengthy) list appear in two different articles in Wikipedia. Your username goes here 19:51, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

The lists are actually fairly disjoint in that the B-school list is considerably more comprehensive. To that extent, if at all, the non-B-School list should be pruned. 66.65.129.119 00:45, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

Addition to Billionaire list
More Indian-origin persons in Forbes list of richest Americans

New York, Sep 21 : Bharat Desai, founder of leading IT and ITeS firm Syntel, and his family have joined acoustics pioneer Amar Gopal Bose and Google founder-director Kavitark Ram Shriram as the only Indian origin persons to figure in Forbes' list of the 400 richest Americans. Desai and family have been ranked 286th with a fortune of $1.7 billion in the 2007 list released Thursday. However, both Bose and Shriram, who shared the 242nd post last year, went down the list and now share the 271st position though their respective personal fortunes went up from $1.5 billion to $1.8 billion. Born to an accountant in Kenya, Desai, now 54, moved to India at age 11. He passed out from the Indian Institute of Technology, Mumbai, before doing his MBA from the University of Michigan. He founded Syntel in 1988 along with his wife Neerja.

Fair use rationale for Image:Ross School Logo.gif
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BetacommandBot (talk) 13:47, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Wrong link
The link to James Westphal under endowed chairs is obviously wrong as the person to which the link leads is long dead. Sry, don't know how to delete only the link without the actual contect —Preceding unsigned comment added by VonLoyola (talk • contribs) 01:53, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

University of Michigan Project
University of Michigan is not represented with a project at Category:WikiProject Universities. Please comment at Talk:University_of_Michigan.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 02:17, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

Additions to Ross School
Professors - CK Prahalad - can something be added that he essentially replaced Michael Porter as the go to Corporate Strategist with Core Competencies concept. Paul McCracken - worked as economic advisor for at least one President.

Alumni - although I don't really like him, Governer Snyder should be added. Also, I thought I read the founders of Groupon were some Ross alumni, tried to get a mascot started on campus in 90's. 12.165.172.4 (talk) 21:48, 15 September 2011 (UTC) Sean

A few suggested changes
Hello, I work in the communications & marketing office at the Ross School of Business.

Last year I did some work to clean up some clear factual errors (and broken links, etc.) in the Ross entry. However, there are still some areas where the entry is incomplete, outdated, or not-quite-right. But having digested the Wikipedia guidelines on conflicts of interest and academic boosterism, it was pretty clear I shouldn’t make any further changes myself.

So – and I hope this approach is OK – I thought I would propose the following changes here, and if others think they are reasonable, maybe someone could find the time to make them (or tell me it’s OK for me to do it)? Thanks in advance, Bob Needham

•	The info box lists a motto, “Leading in thought and action.” Although that hasn’t formally been eliminated, we’re not really using it any more. We suggest replacing it with our mission statement: “Mission: Developing leaders who make a positive difference in the world.”

•	Also in the info box, the current endowment is actually $385 million (not $540 million)

•	Also in the box, if “Academic staff” means faculty, a current number is 210 (151 full time plus 59 adjunct or visiting)

•	Also in the box, student numbers can be updated to 1,422 (undergraduate) and 1,873 (graduate)

•	Also in the box, alumni could be updated to “45,000+” or “about 46,000”

•	Under Facilities and institutes: The date of the announcement of the second Stephen Ross gift is wrong – it was September 2013 (not 2014). We propose an additional sentence explaining what the money will go toward: “The second gift is being used for facilities upgrades, including high-tech classrooms, a new career services space, and additional areas for practical research; as well as student scholarships.” (ref: http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2013-09-04/stephen-ross-makes-200-million-gift-to-university-of-michigan)

•	Also under Facilities and institutes – Although we wouldn’t expect to list all the school’s institutes and centers (there are 17), one of the more prominent is missing. We’d suggest adding: “Center For Positive Organizations (http://positiveorgs.bus.umich.edu/) / Founded in 2002 as the Center for Positive Organizational Scholarship, the center’s mission is ‘to inspire and enable leaders to build high-performing organizations that bring out the best in people.’ It conducts and disseminates research on topics such as positive leadership, meaning and purpose, ethics and virtues, and relationships and culture in an organizational setting. Starting in 2014, it sponsors an annual Positive Business Conference. (ref: http://www.freep.com/article/20140516/BUSINESS06/305160145/university-michigan-positive-conference) ”

•	The History section is clearly lacking (it really only covers 1990-2011). I will create a separate post proposing some updates for that section.

•	Under Current and former professors, it would be good to add Kim S. Cameron, who has a Wikipedia entry: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kim_S._Cameron

•	Finally, the school’s URL will be changing as of Aug. 1. If it’s OK, I’ll go in and make that one change myself when the time comes.

BobNeedhamAA (talk) 17:48, 26 June 2014 (UTC)

Italic title?
Why is the title in italics? Could someone change this? I don't know how. Michipedian (talk) 08:54, 27 June 2017 (UTC)

"Michigan Business" listed at Redirects for discussion
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"Michigan Business School" listed at Redirects for discussion
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