Talk:Roy Cooper (rodeo cowboy)

Additional Halls of Fame
Hello again, I noticed that you created this article. Part of one of my projects is making sure all of the halls of fame are updated on existing rodeo performer pages. I have located five halls of fame (not including the ProRodeo Hall of Fame) that Roy has been inducted into. The usual way we handle many honors is to create a separate honors section. We would probably mention just the highest honor (the ProRodeo Hall of Fame) in the introduction without a citation. See MOS:LEAD. Then in the Honors section, list all the honors chronologically in a bulleted list, with citations at the end of each honor. Here's an example of what I mean in an article I just finished: Bones.

I would be happy to do it, but I thought since I had made your acquaintance, I would give you the option. It won't hurt my feelings if you prefer to incorporate them yourself and in a different manner. By the way, I noticed the way you customized the citations after the template I used had added them in earlier articles I made edits in, and I am doing even more of that myself. Nice! dawnleelynn (talk) 23:56, 9 May 2017 (UTC)

Roy Cooper - Halls of Fame

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 * 2004 Cheyenne Frontier Days Hall of Fame

https://www.oklahomasportshalloffame.org/roy-cooper.html
 * 2014 Oklahoma Sports Hall of Fame

http://www.texasrodeohalloffame.com/biographies/roy-cooper/
 * 2008 Texas Rodeo Hall of Fame

http://www.leacountymuseum.org/halloffame.html
 * 2009 Lea County Athletic Hall of Fame

https://nationalcowboymuseum.org/awards-halls-of-fame/rodeo-hall-of-fame-inductees/
 * 1983 Rodeo Hall of Fame of the National Cowboy and Western Heritage Museum
 * The style in the Bones articles looks okay to me. Go for it. I may come by eventually to clean up some formatting if necessary, but that wouldn't be for a while as I've been swamped with new editing tasks today. Giants2008  ( Talk ) 00:28, 10 May 2017 (UTC)

Awards
Ok, I figured if I was going to do the Honors, I might as well do the Awards section too. That's how I discovered you've got him winning steer wrestling, when it should be steer roping.

Here's the titles he won according to the PRCA World Champions Historical List. Source is the PRCA web site. It also aligns with the Hall of Fame site. You'll see that in 1983 he won three titles, All-Around, Tie-Down Roping, and Steer Roping, not wrestling. I'll fix this along with everything else.


 * http://prorodeo.com/prorodeo/cowboys/world-champions-historical/

All-Around
 * Roy Cooper, Durant, Okla. 1983

Tie-down Roping
 * Roy Cooper, Durant, Okla. 1976
 * Roy Cooper, Durant, Okla. 1980
 * Roy Cooper, Durant, Okla. 1981
 * Roy Cooper, Durant, Okla. 1982
 * Roy Cooper, Durant, Okla. 1983
 * Roy Cooper, Durant, Okla. 1984

Steer Roping
 * Roy Cooper, Durant, Okla. 1983

dawnleelynn (talk) 03:01, 10 May 2017 (UTC)

Here's one I just did for a bull rider. I didn't write the article initially but I am working on improving it a bit. Mostly trying to get it cited as its a popular one. Awards and Honors sections I just added is more comparable to your article than a bull. I am trying out this one without bullets to see if I like that better. Tuff Hedeman  dawnleelynn (talk) 22:53, 10 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks for making up for my lack of knowledge in rodeo terminology. Do note that one of the mentions of steer wrestling in relation to the National Finals Rodeo did turn out to be correct per the source, which checked out when I compared it to the PRCA list. I changed that one back. Giants2008  ( Talk ) 01:35, 22 May 2017 (UTC)

Yes, I looked at that reference, where you mention steer wrestling followed by citation #8. Aha! I looked and looked but couldn't find it. Then I accidentally realized you had to scroll somehow to see it underneath the top of the window. And it says he won the National Finals, but someone else took the World title in steer wrestling. That's not how I usually hear it described. Anyway, he did not win the PRCA Championship. I feel bad about missing this the first time around, but not quite as bad, LOL. I honestly didn't see it the first time. I don't normally use Google News Archive for a source but maybe I should. I have some older bulls I can't find sources on.

But the PRCA World Champions (Historical) list definitely does not list Roy Cooper under the Steer Wrestling championship section. I expanded only the Steer Wrestling section and did a Find on the menu, no Roy Cooper. So, no he did not win a PRCA championship in this event. I hope that is what you meant? And I hope I don't sound too brusque. I am so glad you checked what I changed. I'm really very careful when I edit. It's just a fluke that I didn't realize how that newspaper archive worked. It's a good lesson that I have learned. dawnleelynn (talk) 03:37, 22 May 2017 (UTC) p.s. I changed Hedeman's honors list back to bullets, I didn't like them without and neither did my mentor.
 * The source mentions that Byron Walker won the PRCA steer wrestling championship in 1981, which is consistent with the PRCA list. Looking at the NFR article, it says that average event winners are determined, along with the world titles. I'd be willing to bet that this is what the source means. Giants2008  ( Talk ) 20:22, 23 May 2017 (UTC)


 * I think you will find this PDF very useful with all of your rodeo articles. This ProRodeo PDF can be searched. It contains all kinds of records including qualifying times, average winners, roping times, etc. "Wrangler NFR records and History" Thirty pages of goodies. [] Oh, btw "everybody is doing it" is a poor reason. It's really standard industry usage to use NFR same as PRCA and PBR. You can see if Cooper won the average in here. dawnleelynn (talk) 21:30, 23 May 2017 (UTC)
 * When did I say everybody was doing something? It was my best guess as to what the source meant; also, the abbreviation is fine. I'll look at the PDF when I get a chance. Sorry I can't be more prompt, but I'm suddenly busier than I've been in nine years on Wikipedia. Giants2008  ( Talk ) 23:08, 23 May 2017 (UTC)
 * I referring to myself, sorry. I meant when I changed the National Rodeo Finals to NFR, I said in the edit summary everybody does it. And then I was saying that was a poor reason -- on me... It's industry standard to use the acronyms is what I should have said in the first place. not "everybody does it." My bad! Sorry I didn't make that clear enough. You take your time with all of this... There is no rush. I tried to find out by searching what the source meant, actually. I just haven't been able to... I never meant to rush you.... dawnleelynn (talk) 23:20, 23 May 2017 (UTC)
 * I looked at the PDF. He was not the average winner in steer wrestling in 1981. Tom Ferguson was. I searched the Internet about an hour yesterday and an hour this morning. It's pretty hard to dig up any details about a steer wrestling title in 1981. But I did find this one post that says he was the season steer wrestling title holder in 1983. So I think he was probably the season wrestling steer title holder in 1981 too. . That's all the research I'm going to put into this for now. I was only concerned with World Championships and Honors to begin with. I was happy to help to try to figure this out, and I think I've reached the limit of what I can do. There is no pressure now and you can do as you like with what I've provided in my last few posts in your own time. Happy trails! dawnleelynn (talk) 17:10, 24 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Now that things have settled down for me elsewhere, I found some time to return here. Since the official source says he didn't win the 1981 NFR steer wrestling title, I took that out of the article. The PDF also had a few helpful facts about Cooper's NFR performances that I added. Thanks for finding that source. Giants2008  ( Talk ) 17:44, 1 June 2017 (UTC)

I'm glad it helped. It was my pleasure to provide it. I'm always happy to help. Thanks! dawnleelynn (talk) 22:39, 1 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Thought of you when I saw this on my NFR Twitter feed with a link to the NFR Instagram feed. A video of Roy Cooper roping. In case you didn't see it yourself. . There's also one of his son a down a little further. dawnleelynn (talk) 16:09, 2 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Howdy Giants2008! Just wanted to update you with the latest source I found. I did not know that the NFR Records and History guide was part of a larger document because I found it doing a search that led me to a direct link for it and it was a 2011 version so not most recent. But I just recently found some media guides for the PBR (they are hidden, you can only find them from search not from the web site) which led me to wonder if the PRCA also had one. And I searched the entire PRCA web site quite thoroughly to find one. So I was very surprised to find a media guide on the web site and it was not hidden but right there where anyone can use it. It's labeled "2016 Media Guide." It has several sections. Each section is its own PDF. One section, as you are probably guessing, is the NFR Records and History guide. The guide is the 2016 version. I'm sure that you, like me, would love to have a more recent version. And there are also many other interesting documents here. This is the direct link: http://www.prorodeo.com/prorodeo/media/2016-prca-media-guide


 * To navigate on the web site: At the top right side of the page, hover over Media on the Nav Bar, and then click 2016 Media Guide. Happy Trails! dawnleelynn (talk) 17:21, 1 July 2017 (UTC)
 * P.S. I would download the pdfs locally. I know the whole website gets saved to the Internet Archive Wayback Machine, but I have found that doesn't always guarantee access of pdfs. And you never know when someone might add robots.txt to a website. dawnleelynn (talk) 17:25, 1 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Neat. I added and updated a few things with that source, which proved quite useful. Thanks once again for your efforts. :-) Giants2008  ( Talk ) 00:28, 17 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Howdy! I'm glad the updated documents provided value to your article. I read them, and I can definitely see the difference. Cooper is a very popular notable according to my social media feeds. Happy Trails! dawnleelynn (talk) 16:53, 18 July 2017 (UTC)

National Finals Steer Roping
There is some information about it in the PDF - at the very end -.

Here at this link it shows that the finals are held Nov.2-3, 2018 at the Kansas Star Arena. (Not Las Vegas). This page more active once the finals start.

In actual practice:

Oops forgot signature, hope this helps! dawnleelynn(talk) 17:42, 22 February 2018 (UTC)

One other thing: depending on when the finals took place, it could be at different locations, in present time, Kansas. Back in 2010: here Oklahoma. Both the NFR and the NFSR have moved around. There is a history of where the NFR has been held from start to finish in its article. However, the NSFR doesn't have an article (I have marked it down on my list of articles needed) and there is no history of where it has been held from start to finish). Although this article I linked does give a good history from 1984 to 2010. Also, on the sponsor name, we leave off the Wrangler from in front of the NFR and the Clem McSpadden from the NFSR. The names are fully meaningful without the sponsor names, which change from time to time. And we don't have to do search and replace for the sponsor name in articles when they change. Hope this helps! dawnleelynn(talk) 05:39, 23 February 2018 (UTC)

I wanted to add that there is a location in the media guide that documents where all of the events have taken place over the years. Not all of the events have always taken place together. Of course the steer roping was always separate. But there was a time when the team roping and barrel racing were separate as well. In the Wrangler NFR chapter of the 2017 Media Guide, there is a page where all of the locations are documented from start to finish. This could be useful to use until I update things. I am going to update the National Finals Rodeo article if it needs it and write an article for the National Finals Steer Roping. I'll let you know when these are done. My intentions are to be helpful and not to apply any pressure on anything. Supplying locations of finals in articles is strictly up to you.


 * Wrangler NFR Bottom of Page 372.

dawnleelynn(talk) 04:18, 27 February 2018 (UTC)

New Mexico Sports Hall of Fame
Giants2008 thanks for catching that hall of fame page was Hall of Fame Candidates not 2019 Inductees. Son of a gun....not an excuse but sometimes when you spend all day looking at those pages....at least I didn't get to any of the others in that list yet. Thanks a bunch for catching it. dawnleelynn(talk) 18:38, 16 May 2019 (UTC)
 * No problem Dawn. The pages on that website aren't easy to read and I can understand how a word could be missed. Giants2008  ( Talk ) 01:45, 18 May 2019 (UTC)
 * I appreciate that, and you are right, that website isn't the most reader friendly design. Thanks. dawnleelynn(talk) 03:03, 18 May 2019 (UTC)