Talk:Roy Kilner

His personality
Someone famously described Kilner as "the sunshine of the Yorkshire eleven", but I can't remember who. I'll see if I can find a citation. Also I wonder if Hodgson could be wrong about the Cardus claim that it was Kilner who said that "What we want is no umpires and fair cheating all round", as I seem to recall Cardus attributing it to Dick Tyldesley of Lancashire. My memory could easily be faulty, though. Of course, Cardus is quite capable of having atributed it to both players at different times! JH (talk page) 21:16, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes, I think it was either E.W. Pullan ("Old Ebor") or Jim Kilburn; it might have been in one of their histories. But I could be wrong, as I can't remember either! I'm fairly sure the cheating quote is from Kilner though. And Cardus probably made it up anyway... --Sarastro1 (talk) 21:30, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
 * More than likely. :) As for "the sunshine of the Yorkshire eleven", on second thoughts it may have been said about Schofield Haigh rather than Kilner. JH (talk page) 08:19, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
 * You're right, and in that case, it was Old Ebor! --Sarastro1 (talk) 08:42, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

War service
I've made a few tweaks to the First World War section. There's a bit more info in Kilner's medal index card, but as that's a primary source, and this article is currently undergoing a Featured Article Candidacy, I thought I'd put that info up for discussion first. The card is available from http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/documentsonline/details-result.asp?Edoc_Id=3418213, and will also be on Ancestry.co.uk. It shows that Kilner first went to Egypt on 22 November 1915 (making him eligible for the 1914–15 Star). The card further states that he transferred to the Royal Field Artillery on 2 March 1917 - I suspect this will coincide with his posting to Preston, but without access to the other soruces used, it's hard to confirm that. Kilner also had the standard eligibility for the British War Medal and Victory Medal, but also received the Silver War Badge, suggesting that his injuries were severe enough that he was eventually discharged from the army before the end of the war. David Underdown (talk) 15:57, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

Debut for Yorkshire
I would like to get some feedback before I post this picture of the 1911 Yorkshire cricket team to the article. It looks like the cricketer sitting in the center of the front row is Kilner, or he may be standing in the back row on the far left. Even if Kilner is not pictured in the photo, it seems to me that the picture is relevant to the "Debut for Yorkshire" section of the article. The article is somewhat lacking in good pictures anyway so adding this might enhance it to some degree. --♥Golf (talk) 15:15, 17 October 2015 (UTC)


 * Kilner is the chap sitting in the front row on the left (as we look at it). However, the copyright status of the image isn't completely clear. While the photograph was from 1911, there is no evidence that it was first published prior to 1923, and given the UK copyright status would be life of the photographer + 70 years, a 1911 photograph could easily still be copyrighted. Without these pieces of information, this image can't be used on Wikipedia as free-use, and certainly can't appear in a Featured article. Harrias talk 16:05, 17 October 2015 (UTC)
 * I bet the photographer is long dead, so the 75-year threshold wouldn't be a problem, but I don't know that for sure. Too many unknowns as you've mentioned, so I won't be adding this picture.  Thanks for responding to my proposal. --♥Golf (talk) 16:48, 17 October 2015 (UTC)
 * I expect so. I'll do some digging and see if I can find anything out. Getty Images do have a copy of the image, which they date as being 1912, so that is another avenue to confirm! Harrias talk 17:05, 17 October 2015 (UTC)
 * I, too, will do some digging and see what I can find. Picture is very cool, I want to use it if we can prove it is worthy and old enough, etc. I like that little crooked smile he's giving in the picture!; that's why I couldn't tell that was him. --♥Golf (talk) 17:11, 17 October 2015 (UTC)

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Roy Kilner's bowling action
Former Yorkshire Cricketer Arthur Mitchell told the Yorkshire Post about the origin of the nickname 'Chinaman' which was used for left arm spinners "We first heard of it when Roy Kilner began moving his wrist making the ball turn from the off". Looking more carefully at his article, I see it says 'Kilner delivered left-arm wrist spin at times, constantly practising it in the cricket nets. His brother Norman believed Roy was the person who coined the term "chinaman" to describe such a style, although other players have also claimed to originate the phrase'. So it seems that he bowled both, and I'll amend the table to give both separated by a slash. JH (talk page) 19:50, 18 October 2023 (UTC)