Talk:Royal Family Orders of the United Kingdom

After the holder's death?
After the recipient's death, are the portrait medallions returned to the monarch, or are they passed down as heirlooms in the recipient's family? J S Ayer (talk) 19:20, 26 March 2022 (UTC)


 * no. They remain with the recipient Jord656 (talk) 07:21, 9 May 2023 (UTC)

Royal Family order of E2R
In the table at the bottom of the article it has "Elizabeth II" as current. Should it not be moved to dormant as it can no longer be awarded? Jord656 (talk) 07:22, 9 May 2023 (UTC)


 * @Jord656 - It's listed as current because people still hold that family order. It is the same reason why George VI's family order is still listed as "current", because Princess Alexandra is the only surviving person that still holds that order. The family order will still be listed as current as long as there are surviving recipients. DDMS123 (talk) 19:27, 10 May 2023 (UTC)

Of Queen Alexandra?
The article on Princess Victoria of the United Kingdom, daughter of King Edward VII, lists her honours, including the Royal Family Order of Queen Alexandra, red-linked of course, between those of Edward VII and George V. The Royal Collections Trust shows Princess Victoria's medallion of the order, with portraits of Edward VII and Alexandra, bordered by pearls alternating with crosses paty set with tiny diamonds, and suspended from a red and white ribbon. Was this a one-of-a-kind gift to this princess, or were there others? Was it given before or after King Edward's death? J S Ayer (talk) 04:16, 24 April 2024 (UTC)

Another section of that website dates that medallion to 1902. J S Ayer (talk) 04:26, 24 April 2024 (UTC)

All right, I just looked at that You-tube video, which says that Queen Alexandra gave another of that order to her eldest daughter Louise, Princess Royal, but these are the only two known, as there is no evidence that the third daughter, Maud, later Queen of Norway, ever had one. This seems to be the only such order ever instituted by a queen consort. J S Ayer (talk) 16:09, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

I have inquired of the custodians of the Royal Collections Trust, who promise an answer within ten business days. Meanwhile I am parking a provisional text here: Queen Alexandra gave such medallions, bearing a portrait of herself and her husband Edward VII &mdash; bordered by pearls alternating with crosses paty set with tiny diamonds, and suspended from a bow of red with white stripes, the colours of the flag of her native Denmark &mdash; to her first and second daughters, Louise, Princess Royal and Duchess of Fife, and Princess Victoria of the United Kingdom. It does not appear that she gave one to her third daughter, Maud, Queen of Norway, nor to anyone else. J S Ayer (talk) 18:46, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
 * To stand first under the heading "Similar royal badges". J S Ayer (talk) 01:11, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

A gracious lady at the Royal Collections Trust has replied: "Thank you for your enquiry into Princess Victoria’s Order of Queen Alexandra. There are two known surviving examples of the Family Order of Queen Alexandra: one belonged to Princess Victoria, as you have noted, and the other belonged to Queen Mary. She recorded receiving it from Queen Alexandra on 9 August 1902, King Edward VII’s and Queen Alexandra’s Coronation Day. Both Princess Victoria’s and Queen Mary’s Orders of Queen Alexandra were worn alongside their family decorations. The badges echo the Family Order of King Christian IX and Queen Louise of Denmark (Queen Alexandra’s parents). You can find out more in Patterson, Stephen, Royal Insignia: British and foreign Orders of Chivalry from the Royal Collection (London, 1996), pp. 142, 144, and 203." J S Ayer (talk) 20:14, 14 May 2024 (UTC)