Talk:Royal Military Police/Archive 1

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"Their stable belts was always red until 1992 when they were amalgamated into the Adjutant General's Corps. It is now blue/red. Like other military police around the world, they used to wear white webbing and gaiters when on duty, although nowadays they have modernised their unform (sic) in a similar manner to other UK police forces."

Is this true? I understood they had retained all their uniform distinctions when they became part of the AGC - they've certainly kept their cap badge and red hats. Also, the RMP's own website has current photographs on it of RMP members wearing white webbing and I'm not sure how they've "modernised their unform in a similar manner to other UK police forces" when they wear army, not police, uniform. -- Necrothesp 18:15, 8 Feb 2005 (UTC)

White webbing? Do you mean the belt? there are two versions one is a white belt made from the same material as the green belts that other squaddies are issued with (Not all Regiments/Corps allow there soldiers to wear stable belts unless they are a NCO so they have to wear the the green plastic one). The white version of this is certainly used by TA units of the RMP for parade purposes whilst wearing No 2 uniform or No 1 uniform (Blues), The other uniform is barrack dress and is No2 shirt, Green Wooley Pulley (often mistakenly called the NATO jumper)and dark green barrack trousers. In some circumstances barrack dress may mean wearing green shirt & lightweights (the Royal Marines call this No 8(A)dress although this is less common nowadays as Combats are everyday wear now. When on patrol in No 2 uniform or in Barrack dress the RMP NCO will be carrying a Browning Hi Power pistol. This carried in a white sam browne rig which has a metal corps badge on the buckle.

The RMP HV jacket is Saffron yellow with a Royal Military Police in red lettering on the badge at the back and a small pocket badge on the front, this jacket can be reveresed and its other colour is green (there is only a pocket badge on the gren side. The RMP have been issued with black overalls, this started with CPU and the Dog Section and its use has spread. The Stab vest is also a recent introduction (dark blue in colour with RMP badge on the front and back)In Cyprus and Brunei NCO's will wear tropical uniform.

The RMP has not worn gaitors since the 1960's at least ceratinly when battledress (BD) uniform were changed.

There has been a lot of changes regarding uniforms over the past few years for the RMP with the introduction of stab vest.

--Pandaplodder 13:25, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

Just noticed that the statement about RMP wearing the blue and red AGC stable belt is incorrect as the red and blue belt was a second version, the original was more colourful than the present AGC belt. Secondly the RMP wear the AGC lanyard which again is blue and red (RMP colours) as for wearing the old red belt, this isn't official even if it does happen and probably no more than hearsay. AGC belts can be purchase but old RMP belts in circulation are just that old. My RSM would do an impression of 'wild thing' if he saw one being worn.

Does anyone know if the USMC Dress Blue uniform influenced the RMP Blue uniform, or is it the other way around? They are remarkably similar except for the cap ofcourse.
 * The RMP dress uniform is just the standard British Army dress uniform (with regimental variations such as the red cap, of course). So no, I doubt it. Many countries wear similar uniforms. -- Necrothesp 10:53, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

--Pandaplodder 16:57, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

Just did some checking about the stable belt, it is incorrect to say original RMP stable belt, as these are in fact a slightly different shade of red, the RMP is not the only branch of the AGC changing (although the AGC belt was nearly RMP corps colours)

Current units
The list of current units would be more useful if there was some sense of where each was based, whether it has a specific function, otherwise it's largely a list of numbers. Escaper7 10:01, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Locations are being added.

--Pandaplodder 13:46, 7 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Great Escaper7 12:12, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

Unfortunately I really only know about units that I have served with or were attached to, the rest comes down to a lot of researching RMP journals even then place names are not always used for units. The big problem is that units come and go all the time for example 114 Pro Coy RMP is new whilst the Depot at Donnigton is closing next year so 174 Pro Coy will either move or be disbanded or go into suspended animation, the same with the 1st RMP Regiment, the 4 th Armoured Bde is being re-roled into a Mechanised Bde and returning to the UK and 1st Regiment will become a Provost Unit supporting both 20 and 7 Armd Bde's.

--Pandaplodder 13:05, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

Expanded article
Nice work by one editor in expanding this, very historical and informative. Don't want to add a "but" to that... but it would be good to point out that the RMP is not a regiment - if it isn't. And I don't think Wikilinks to Mod Plod etc really need to be (bracketed) throughout. There's also an info box on some other British Army articles showing the marching precedence of the regiments etc, is it worth adding this? Great article in any case and some nice images. Escaper7 18:26, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Correct it is not a regiment, officially its a "branch" of a Corps but in reality a Corps in a Corps. The RMP does have regiments though like any other Corps such as Royal Engineers or Royal Signals.

The Op Telic casaulty list is one I used recently on another site, think it either came from MOD or Newspapers/BBC or both. --Pandaplodder 16:40, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

RMP loss of life
I will check this as I know that the RMP virtually lost a platoon at a Police Station in Arnhem during Operation Market Garden. --Pandaplodder 16:43, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
 * This claim was certainly something made quite a lot of in the news in 2003 (unfortunately, I can't find the link now). Of course, even the BBC is not always correct! -- Necrothesp 16:48, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

Brackets
To make this excellent article more appelaing to non-military readers, I'm going to start removing some of the brackets. I think it's still suffering from a bit of officialese language, and the excess of brackets hinders the flow to the reader. Escaper7 07:08, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I'm not entirely sure what you mean here, but please don't change the first line to "or RMP". The standard Wikipedia procedure for first lines is to use brackets for abbreviations, otherwise it implies RMP is an alternative title, whereas it is in fact just the abbreviation of the actual name. -- Necrothesp 11:03, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I changed the opening line in passing so not a problem - I was referring specifically to the repeated use of meaningless bracketed abbreviations: (CRO) (MFP) etc, and brackets within brackets, brackets around headings and so on.  The headings have also been formatted so they now appear in the contents box - essential for a long and growing  article. Escaper7 11:22, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
 * That's fine unless the abbreviations are useful. For instance, it is useful to know that the corps was the CMP until after the war. -- Necrothesp 11:28, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Wikiproject Law enforcement tag

 * I removed the WP:LE tag because this article is about a Military Police orginaztion and fits better in the military Wikiproject.EMT1871 01:33, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
 * I readded the tag, as it is part of the law enforcement wikiproject. Dreamy 13:30, 11 June 2007 (UTC)


 * I will leave the tag, but it was decided when discussing the scope of the wikiproject that military police would best fit in the military wikiprojects than this one. As I am no longer very involved here i dont so much care, but please read WP:LE's scope.EMT1871 00:56, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Royal magazine
I think the link to this magazine should be removed, I can find nothing which substantiates it claim to be official and its website just seems to have a tenous link the subject. Purely advertsing. I will remove it.--Pandaplodder 10:26, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

Monkey Hanger
I have reverted the page due to an edit which took text out so it didn't make sense. --Pandaplodder 18:37, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Progress evaluation for GA
There's no problem with the pictures. The article is neutral, and the writing in many parts is okay, but there are many lists as well (which can damage your likelihood of getting a GA). There are a few sources, and there needs to be many more of that and more citations as well. You're off on a good-start.◙◙◙  I M Kmarinas86 U O 2¢  ◙◙◙ 05:51, 11 June 2007 (UTC)


 * This article failed because the above reasons were not addressed.◙◙◙  I M Kmarinas86 U O 2¢  ◙◙◙ 14:11, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

RMP personnel not sworn in as constables.
"RMP personnel are not sworn in as constables and only have police powers whilst dealing with military personnel, dependents or overseas contractors sponsored by the Army."

I do not know when this came in, but as we got our warrant cards at the end of basic in Chichester in 1980, the reverse of the card was a warrant card as a special constable, whom have FULL civilian police powrs.

I would be interested to know when, or if this has changed. Ragnar. 88.73.106.227 (talk) 08:09, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

Mine was issued in 1993 and I served until 2000, mine did not say this--Pandaplodder (talk) 12:36, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I passed out at Chichester in 1979 and the reverse of my warrant card was as a special constable. Win  chelsea  11:23, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

Serving in the Met in central London, sometimes working with RMP I can confirm that RMP personnel are not special constables and have no police powers in terms of the civilian population away from millitary bases. Dibble999 (talk) 19:16, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
 * That isn't disputed, an indication of when the change happened and RMP warrant cards stopped carrying the special constable on the reverse was being sought, so it could be incorporated into the article. Win  chelsea  19:30, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

Ken Masters
Captain Ken Masters, British chief police investigator in Basra died under mysterious circumstances. Much background is here. Isn't it wikipedia tradition to have articles with background info? The Ken Masters affair is important, history will show. It is a western scandal of the most corrupting kind (like Gladio) and needs to be told. 85.197.16.12 (talk) 16:13, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

Monkey Hangar (2)
I am removing the reference to the pill box type hat/service in Egypt, the actual hat was general issue in British army at that time and wasn't unique to the Military Foot Police nor Mounted Military Police. --Pandaplodder (talk) 12:34, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

Close Protection World
This is an external link and is not sponsored by the MoD (ie: a private enterprise) - link removed)--Pandaplodder (talk) 09:59, 25 September 2008 (UTC)