Talk:Royal Stewart tartan

Spelling
STEWART != STUART. The Royal spelling is STUART and we are mortal enemies with the STEWARTS who sold us out, along with the Campbells, to the Long Shanks. Oh, and the tartan you are showing is the one for the STEWARTS. The Stuart tartan has a white ground.

The Royal Stewart tartan is said to be worn by the Black Watch, but they have a green tartan. What is right ?--Gonzosft (talk) 12:09, 29 April 2021 (UTC)

You punk Americans....Stuart IS NOT and WILL NEVER be the same as STEWART. The Scots, who are the rightful rulers, want nothing to do with those rotten English bastards. Quit redirecting Stuart to Stewart. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.252.152.69 (talk • contribs) 02:44, 25 March 2007 (UTC)


 * The clan treats Stewart, Stuart, Steuart, and several other variants as synonymous. See the Clan Stewart Society website (warning: it's a hideously ugly design that looks to date to c. 1997). This tartan is conventionally known as "royal Stewart" with a "w", whether you prefer that spelling or not. The idea that Stewarts and Stuarts are "enemies" is a figment of your imagination, and certainly unsupported by reliable sources on Scottish clans.  Black Watch, from the 42nd Regiment of Foot onward, has used several tartans for various different uniform purposes. The main one is the green-blue-black one illustrated at Black Watch. For some others, see Regimental tartans.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  00:00, 12 July 2023 (UTC)

Punk Whatevah
How are the Bay City Rollers and Rod Steward 'punk' as said in the main article.. perhaps some punk bands who wore the tartan would be better suited for this factiod? --168.56.111.83 18:54, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

Influence of Wattie Buchan?
The article seems to claim the popularity of the tartan within the punk scene was perhaps due to Wattie Buchan of The Exploited. But the band only formed in 1979, several years after punk became well-known in Britain. Surely Vivienne Westwood introduced tartans in 1976 (see and the 1977 picture at ) and through her connections to Malcolm McLaren and Sid Vicious they entered the punk scene? Did this not primarily include Royal Stewart? --David Edgar (talk) 20:41, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

Subjects of Queen Elizabeth?
Q: What does this even mean, notwithstanding the unsupported claim that these people are somehow particularly entitled to wear this tartan? The term "British subject" is more or less obsolete. The vast majority of British citizens are now just that, citizens, not "subjects" nor members of some mysterious clan.

A: There is a myth, or tradition, that one of the previous Kings (I recall it as George V or VI) decreed that any loyal subject of the crown could wear the Royal Stewart. I've not found any confirmation of this belief, but the tartan register (https://www.tartanregister.gov.uk/tartanDetails?ref=3958) notes that George V tried to restrict its use to royalty, but was unable to as its use was already so popular. Philculmer (talk) 21:27, 18 June 2023 (UTC)
 * I haven't found anything in reliable sources on this either. Someone at Talk:Tartan claimed it was Queen Anne (more specifically that she declared herself clan chief of every family/clan in all of the empire, so anyone would wear it being her "clansfolk", or something to this effect). I think it's yet another "tartan legend". I've read literally thousands of pages of tartan-related source material, and never run across evidence.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  23:53, 11 July 2023 (UTC)

Misleading date
The claim in the lead that the tartan was first published in 1831 by Logan is correct, thinking of "published" in the sense of for broad public consumption, but it dates to c. 1800s in-house record books of Wilsons of Bannockburn. Scottish Register of Tartans notes on this pattern (and there are probably better sources, as SRT contains a lot of errors): "This pattern is listed in records Wilsons of Bannockburn from around 1800 where they called it 'Royal Stewart'. Why is unknown but from surviving specimens and records it was obviously a popular fashion tartan at the time. Suggestions by various authors that the sett was known at the end of the 18th century and it was reputed to have been worn by one of Bonnie Prince Charlie's followers in the 1745 Rising are unproven and likely to be a myth. George IV wore this on his visit to Scotland in 1822 and it was adopted by Queen Victoria for the Royal Family. King George V tried to restrict this for use of the Royal Family but that proved impossible because of its widespread use over many years as a popular fashion tartan. Instead he restricted the Balmoral tartan for their use. Early samples show Blue and Light Blue used interchangeably."  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  23:51, 11 July 2023 (UTC)