Talk:Royal corgis

Family tree
Some sources contain family trees for the corgis. I can see the first three generations on page 75 of The English Dog at Home, for example. This has:


 * Susan
 * Sugar
 * Whisky
 * Sherry
 * Honey
 * Bee

Suggested update? Given the new situation The Australian Abroad, for example. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jotham (talk • contribs) 09:24, 6 February 2015 (UTC)

I'll start a graphical version and see how it looks. If anyone can get a sight of a full family tree, that would help. Warden (talk) 20:00, 22 September 2012 (UTC)

Pembroke or Cardigan?
Maybe this is an American thing, but over here there are two distinct breeds of Welsh Corgis: Pembroke Welsh corgis and Cardigan Welsh corgis. I was curious as to which of the two breeds the Queen has and this article doesn't seem to say or pay any attention to that. Possibly she has both kinds? I'd like to know. Toddabearsf (talk) 23:00, 24 November 2012 (UTC)
 * "Pembroke Welsh Corgis are famed for being the preferred breed of Queen Elizabeth II, who owns sixteen. These dogs have been favoured by British royalty for more than seventy years.""Queen Elizabeth II owns 16 dogs of this breed.[Dogs 101. Animal Planet. Aired 19 September 2009.] In September 2012, it was stated by Off the Leash Pet News on MSN Living online that two of them, Monty (who had appeared in the James Bond scenes in theLondon 2012 Summer Olympic Games) and Cider (who is half Dachshund) had passed away, leaving only two Corgis, Willow and Holly, left."
 * MaybeMaybeMaybe (talk) 23:18, 24 November 2012 (UTC)

Title - ambiguous
Just wondering whether the 'Queen Elizabeth' in the title of this page refers to the present monarch, Queen Elizabeth II, or her mother, Queen Elizabeth The Queen Mother—who was styled as 'Queen Elizabeth' before her daughter's accession in 1952. If the former, I think the page should be called "Queen Elizabeth II's corgis" or "Corgis of Queen Elizabeth II" in order to avoid confusion, as there have been a great number of Queen Elizabeths in history. Glenmeister (talk) 18:05, 27 September 2013 (UTC)


 * It refers to both the current Queen and her mother, who both kept corgis together. As they were closely associated and kept the corgis in the same household, there seems to be no need to split them or argue about technical ownership. Warden (talk) 22:28, 27 September 2013 (UTC)

However, the article also states that, before his death, King George VI also kept corgis in the same household, and most of the animals mentioned in the text appear to be (or have been) under the ownership of Queen Elizabeth II. Maybe it would be better to have the title of 'Royal corgis'? Glenmeister (talk) 18:53, 23 October 2013 (UTC)
 * George VI bought a corgi for his daughter Elizabeth. There's no indication here or elsewhere that he kept the dogs for himself.  The title royal corgi may be helpful for readers when searching and so I have created it as a redirect here. Warden (talk) 19:35, 23 October 2013 (UTC)

Requested move 17 June 2018

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The result of the move request was: move the page to Royal corgis at this time, per the discussion below. Dekimasu よ! 16:41, 25 June 2018 (UTC)

Queen Elizabeth's corgis → Royal corgis – The title is ambiguous between Elizabeth II and her mother. I don't have an opinion on what the new title should be. 2601:183:101:58D0:21FA:6823:6996:3DB1 (talk) 11:50, 17 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Move to Royal corgis. Article covers corgis owned by more than one individual. DrKay (talk) 15:12, 17 June 2018 (UTC)
 * I have changed the proposed title to Royal corgis. 2601:183:101:58D0:C5F2:FD9C:2766:CEFE (talk) 16:32, 17 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Oppose As discussed above, the current queen's mother was also called Queen Elizabeth.  As they were a family, the dogs were not exclusive and so the current title works fine.  Andrew D. (talk) 15:27, 17 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Support move to Royal corgis.  CookieMonster755 ✉  01:25, 19 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Support. No big deal either way with the redirect from the other title, but it's arguably a better description of the content and focus of the article. Andrewa (talk) 15:20, 24 June 2018 (UTC)


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Royal clockwinder
I just changed
 * In 1954, the Royal Clockwinder, Leonard Hubbard, was bitten by Susan upon entering the nursery at the Royal Lodge, Windsor.

to
 * In 1954, the Royal Clockwinder, Leonard Hubbard, was bitten by Susan upon entering the nursery at the Royal Lodge, Windsor.

I see a bunch of newspapers mention the story, but I suspect they all copied from one of their number (or from a wire service), which got it wrong. Whadday'all think?&mdash;msh210&#x2120; 15:57, 17 November 2020 (UTC)
 * It looks like the NYT reported it in 1954, so I see no reason to doubt its veracity. Cerebral726 (talk) 16:21, 17 November 2020 (UTC)
 * That's yet another instance of exactly the same story. Not sure how it's any more evidence of the existence of a Royal Clockwinder &mdash; especially because it refers only to a "royal clockwinder" and not a "Royal Clockwinder".&mdash;msh210&#x2120; 23:59, 19 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Also evidence of the royal clockwinder being a real thing: Cerebral726 (talk) 16:23, 17 November 2020 (UTC)
 * That doesn't refer to a "Royal Clockwinder" (though it does refer to a "clockmaker"). I've no doubt someone tends the royal clocks. But "Royal Clockwinder" (capitalization indicates the official name of a position) is not supported by this article.&mdash;msh210&#x2120; 23:59, 19 November 2020 (UTC)
 * I'm re-editing imminently to remove the reference to a "Royal Clockwinder" and calling the guy something more mundane.&mdash;msh210&#x2120; 23:59, 19 November 2020 (UTC)
 * I am confused why a historical NYT article does not seem adequate to you as a source? A variety of other sources including a Vanity Fair video refer to him as such as well. Cerebral726 (talk) 14:00, 20 November 2020 (UTC)
 * I'm fine with how you've left it by the way, just wanted clarification. Also from my research, it seems that "Royal Horological Conservator" is perhaps the more formal title though we couldn't add that without a source saying Susan bit the Royal Horological Conservator, specifically. Cerebral726 (talk) 14:04, 20 November 2020 (UTC)

Is 7 million accurate or a joke?
Is that count of 7 million corgis accurate data or a joke? It does seem a bit implausible. 146.176.76.171 (talk) 07:44, 14 September 2022 (UTC)

Requested move 4 January 2024

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The result of the move request was: not moved. – robertsky (talk) 10:24, 11 January 2024 (UTC)

Royal corgis → Royal Corgis – Per MOS:LIFE, names of standardized breeds take capitals, and that includes Corgis (but will not include the "dorgi" crossbred dogs that will probably merge into this article; see the AfD). — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  07:20, 4 January 2024 (UTC)
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 * Oppose. Neither Corgi nor Royal Corgi is a standardised breed. The breed is Pembrokeshire Welsh Corgi, which is a type of corgi, in the same way as a King Charles Spaniel is a type of spaniel. Celia Homeford (talk) 13:20, 4 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose It's not a breed through, so there is no ground for capitalization. Keivan.f  Talk 03:38, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose per Celia Homeford and Keivan.f, it isn't a breed itself, but just the dogs of a breed used and associated with the Queen.  Dank  Jae  02:27, 7 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose. Not a breed. Simply descriptive. -- Necrothesp (talk) 14:32, 8 January 2024 (UTC)