Talk:Royal cypher

Globalize
How on earth does this not "represent a worldwide view on the subject"? Just tag it Royal_Cypher_(UK) if you want to so picky about it....


 * I agree, who is going to deny that this is the royal cipher, much less have a controversial opinion on it? I'll remove that worldview box now . . . Ace Frahm 23:50, 23 April 2007 (UTC)


 * I have re-tagged this article for globalization. As demonstrated by the relevant Commons category, royal cyphers are or were widely-used in non-Commonwealth monarchies such as Austria-Hungary, Brazil, Mexico, Russia, Belgium, Bulgaria, Denmark, Egypt, the Kingdom and Empire of France, the German Empire and its constituent and predecessor states, Greece, Hawaii, Italy, Luxembourg, Monaco, Montenegro, Norway, Portugal, Romania, Serbia, Spain, Sweden, the Netherlands, and Yugoslavia. Despite this, non-Commonwealth countries get all of one line in this article. How do you think it doesn't represent a worldwide view of the subject? It's quite obvious to me. 75.154.112.63 (talk) 16:32, 26 September 2011 (UTC)

Too short
I don't understand the tag that's just been added to this article. What exactly is missing from the lead? -- Ħ   MIESIANIACAL  20:51, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

I don't quite understand the article. Firts of all, What is a cypher? Why/What for do you use a cipher?--B. Srinivasa Sasidhar 11:34, 19 November 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bssasidhar (talk • contribs)

A Royal Cypher/Cipher (Uk vs USA English differs on spelling) are used as a visual representation of the Monarch. So for governmental buildings and postboxes, they will attach a Cypher to it to represent which monarch was on the throne when the building was raised or when the post box was installed. They do not change the Cyphers on postboxes, so you’ll still see VR (Victoria Regina), GVR (George V Rex) Etc. on some postboxes, especially in towns where it is the only one. Any new postboxes installed from now will have CIIIR (Charles III Rex), and the crown (Tudor for England, Wales and Northern Ireland, Scottish Crown for Scotland.) The Cypher is also used as part of each Monarch’s Great/Grand Seal (AFAIK), and is also used to affix seals to documents. — Preceding unsigned comment added by DANLOWS (talk • contribs) 17:51, 27 September 2022 (UTC)

"Royal" cypher
Is it possible for noble to have cypher or is cypher only allowed for royals ?

Siyac — Preceding unsigned comment added by Siyac (talk • contribs) 17:08, 26 November 2012 (UTC)


 * It's just a monogram with (usually) a crown. —Tamfang (talk) 21:13, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

CR or not CR

 * The King himself first displayed the cypher CR as a tie pin at his declaration speech.

In the close-up in that article, the pin appears to be GR. Or, to be fair, maybe CR. —Tamfang (talk) 20:21, 16 September 2022 (UTC) Tamfang (talk) 20:21, 16 September 2022 (UTC)


 * You’re probably right but we need a secondary source. Kaihsu (talk) 18:51, 19 September 2022 (UTC)
 * If you are referring to this image, it looks like a CR with Tudor Crown. I guess the jeweller didn’t have space to add the III in the loop of the R.
 * DANLOWS (talk) 09:34, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Still looks like a VI in the middle. —Tamfang (talk) 20:44, 28 September 2022 (UTC)

It is CIIIR. He is Charles the Third, or Charles III. So his Cypher is CIIIR for Charles III Rex. — Preceding unsigned comment added by DANLOWS (talk • contribs) 17:53, 27 September 2022 (UTC)


 * Tell us something we don't know. The question raised in this section was not what will the new king's cypher be but what was the cypher that he wore as a pin on that occasion. —Tamfang (talk) 18:04, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Apologies, it seemed like the discussion was centred on what the Cypher IS not what HM was wearing. DANLOWS (talk) 09:26, 28 September 2022 (UTC)

Dark illustration
One of the images in the gallery section is File:The Royal Cypher of King Carol II of Romania on the porch roof of the Royal Palace of Bucharest.jpg; this is fine as an illustration of that part of the palace, but the king's cipher is painted black and is on a deeply shadowed background, so it can hardly be seen. I suggest that a different illustration would better serve in this article. Or if there isn't one available, crop this one to just the relevant part and make it brighter or something. --142.112.220.184 (talk) 04:26, 20 May 2023 (UTC)


 * The cypher can be seen clearly when zoomed, but another photo might be better. Perhaps of those at can be used. Mcljlm (talk) 06:24, 20 May 2023 (UTC) Mcljlm (talk) 06:24, 20 May 2023 (UTC)