Talk:Rozen Maiden/Archive 1

Seinen?
Personally, I really dont think Rozen Maiden qualifies as a Seinen and thus shouldnt be in the Seinen category. I believe it is something between shounen and seinen, but definatly not edgy enough to be considered 18-30 demographic. Not to say there arent 18-30 yr old people who love the show, its just not inappropriate for 15-18 yr olds. I would guess it would be (or is) rated 13-16+ User: I dont know my username ; ; 8.45 PM 28 April 2007

There doesn't have to be anything inappropriate for a show to qualify as seinen. Take Azumanga Daioh for example. Also consider that the show is appealing to the gothic lolita crowd. Ziiv 20:42, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

I personally agree with I dont know my username ; ;]] on this argument and I belive that even though it could be considered a little "creepy" it really isn't that bad. Ericschulz 10:19, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

The Seinen demographic is not given to an anime/manga as an age rating, but to tell what public the manga/anime is aimed at. The 'Rozen Maiden' manga was published in an Seinen magazine and without furigana, so it clearly is Seinen. 84.48.69.50 (talk) 22:35, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

Tomoe's shinai
I added a small note that Tomoe likely practices kendo, since the thing in the purple bag she's seen carrying I'm 99% positive is a shinai and Hinaichigo makes a reference to her going to a match.Katsuhagi 17:16, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

You're right, just in case someone tries to remove it. If you crossreference to the Japanese wikipedia, it does say that Tomoe practices kendo.Karn-b 07:05, 11 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Thank you. I can't read Japanese too well so I wasn't sure if that's what it was saying. Katsuhagi 15:09, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Article Split?
Yes, in fact, other anime series have the character moved into their separate page. Text is moved there; but now it needs a bit of a fix up. KyuuA4 04:48, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

The article is larger than 35 kb....should it be time for a split?

I would propose we follow what was done for ToHeart and have the following articles:


 * Rozen Maiden
 * original article containing specific links to sub-articles, and other information that doesn't belong to any specific section


 * Rozen Maiden (manga)
 * Rozen Maiden (anime)
 * Rozen Maiden ~traumend~ (anime)

Perhaps an audio CD section could be included once we get enough information to justify it.

Karn-b 15:49, 4 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Methinks we should split this as well, though maybe just into Rozen Maiden and Rozen Maiden Characters. Mekryd 04:49, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I think
 * Rozen Maiden
 * Rozen Maiden (manga)
 * Rozen Maiden (anime) (since the 2 ::story arcs do intersect)
 * Rozen Maiden Characters
 * is a good way to split it.
 * Also, http://www.rozen-unyu.net/index.html has translations of the 2 radio drama cds produced for the different seasons.
 * Etc7


 * I also think a split is in order, although a standalone anime section that includes traumend should do, as Etc7 pointed out. Maybe a more comprehensive episode list for the anime as well? Magus Melchior 05:20, 6 October 2006 (UTC)


 * The excessive cruft needs to be cut out first, then the article won't be so large. Not that 35 KB is even seen as "large" anymore. -- Ned Scott 10:50, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Hina Ichigo "eaten"?
I have not had the chance to read the latest from Rozen Maiden, but would "eaten" be the correct word to use? The images it produces are rather disturbing - does anyone know what really happened, so we can acertain whether or not "eaten" is the most suitable word?

Karn-b 15:58, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

She IS eaten ; there is a picture of Hina-ichigo getting eaten. If I'm not wrong, it should be official manga art. Slur 11:23, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
 * There's nothing like that in volume 7; Kirakishou uses her rose vines on Hinaichigo, and later we only see Hina's feet. Hina says she was eaten later in the manga, but she talks like a little girl, so... Magus Melchior 05:22, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Considering Hina's obvious thinking like a child and her name Ichigo meaning strawberry, I think she just claimed as though she was eaten to over exaggerate what really happened. As in being "swallowed up" by the vines. shadzar|Talk|contribs 05:30, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

Story and background information - merge?
I think that perhaps we should merge the background information and story section, since they are basically doing the same thing. Karn-b 14:55, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

Publishing dates
Any one found that strange where all the publishing date of the volumes are the 24th?? 84.13.243.22 22:37, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

Nope. Since they're published regularly, they are able to compile them on a regular basis and have them released then. It's the same for other manga as well. Karn-b 14:55, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

are they real? please tell me!


 * I don't think so, Tim.

Response to Samix
Yes, it is a manga. I'm still learning Wikipedia--does this mean we need to change the title to "Rozen Maiden (Anime)" ? --Zaorish 03:05, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

I have absolutely no clue either, as this is my first try at editing articles. Samix


 * I have not read any of the manga, though I do understand they are significantly different in plot. Usually you would be able to put both on the one page, with subsections discussing the separate plot lines. There should be no need to make a separate article, at least not at the moment. Elric of Grans 03:00, 19 December 2005 (UTC)

I have read only a small part of it, but it does seem different. One example being the ring appears on the medium and they kiss it there, as opposed to kissing the ring on the doll.--Samix 06:23, 21 December 2005 (UTC)


 * I've read a bit of it -- into the second volume, chapter nine -- and thus far the differences that I see are:


 * - the plot going at a much faster pace; Suigintou appears not long after Shinku encounters Hinaichigo
 * - Megu, Suigintou's medium, makes an appearance very early
 * - Enju's doll shop hasn't yet popped up, but Laplace the rabbit already has
 * Apart from that, though, I'm not sure how different the plot is. Even the dialogue is well-nigh identical to that of the anime.--Winterfox 21:36, 19 January 2006 (UTC)


 * I'm nearing the end of the fifth volume, and still no doll shop. Apart from that, I can't comment on any more differences, as I haven't seen the anime! Although 翠星石 doesn't "cackle maniacally" in the manga... 130.232.131.47 14:31, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

The Disappearing Characters Section
The entire cast section appears to have been deleted. Is there a legitmate reason for this, and can it be reverted if there isn't? Michael Hopcroft 03:41, 20 January 2006 (UTC)


 * - I assumed it was vandalism and had already reverted it. If someone actually wants to erase it, please discuss first.  --Pyo


 * - I've linked the character page back here simply under the heading 'characters' --itakoaya

Links
I modified the link to Japanese web sites with comments (= font and/or language matter). My description might need to be updated/blushed-up. --DryEye 23:19, 20 April 2006 (UTC)


 * We normally use one of the langauge icons templates, such as ja icon, to show that a website is in a different language and may need a special character-set to view properly. Your disclaimer wasn't needed. --TheFarix (Talk) 01:44, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

Desudesudesu
Perhaps there should be a mention of the use of Suiseiseki in the desudesudesudesu meme.
 * There was at some point, I don't see it now though. Should there be a "trivia" section for that? 87.203.84.217 20:12, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

I agree. It's a pretty widespread meme, from what I see (I haven't seen much of the series, so I'm not the best one to put it in there). Commander Nemet 01:47, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

It may have been removed due to WP:DNLAED which covers the removal of meme related content in articles considered serious business --58.167.245.32 05:14, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Unless someone can provide a solid reference for this, the point about Suiseiseki being the source of the use of "desu" on the internet is speculation at best. Other characters in anime that have preceded Rozen Maiden have used "desu" at the end of their phrases as well (ie. Tsukamoto Chisa from Comic Party), so it may not necessarily be solely because of Suiseiseki. -Js2756 02:44, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Suiseiseki is the one who uses Desu most frequently, and her image is associated with it. 69.221.162.197 01:19, 21 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Calling it speculation sounds a little odd, since it's a simple fact that Suiseiseki is the source of the desu meme. But of course, it's near impossible to "prove" something like this to Wikipedia standards. I suppose because the knowledge of where a meme comes from is usually spread just like the meme itself, with little in the way of evidence. There's the Dan Kim webcomic that probably inspired it, and screenshots of 4chan, but that's it. I'm not sure of that counts as sufficient proof. 81.77.153.190 02:16, 21 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Once again, what is that fact based on? Unless someone can cite a source, it is not encyclopedic and should either be removed or altered to reflect that a lot (but not necessarily all) of the influence behind the use of desu comes from Suiseiseki.  As I've mentioned before, she is not the only, nor the first, anime character to use desu.  Stating that Suiseiseki uses it and has image association, is not a verifiable source.  On that note, I also don't think that Desu should redirect to Rozen Maiden. - Js2756 20:05, 22 January 2007 (UTC)


 * I didn't say it is encyclopedic at any point there, I just said it's true. But the only way to be sure of that is to be someone who used 4chan at the time the Desu meme started. I rarely contribute to Wikipedia, so I don't know how best to alter the article, or what exactly is a verifiable source, etc. I was just providing some information. 84.69.47.236 00:22, 30 January 2007 (UTC)


 * How about Desuchan.net? 68.108.249.100 17:41, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

About proof, since it's a 4chan meme you can't cite it. I can't link to it because of the spam filter, but check ED's article on "Desu" if you want proof. Yes, ED, since it's run by and edited by channers so it's relevant to the target community. And as for notability, I'd like to note that I learned about this series (and then fell in love from it) because of the 4chan meme.

You guys seriously need to lurk moar. 24.47.46.141 (talk) 04:30, 19 June 2008 (UTC)


 * I found it (and love) because of 4chan as well, and personally I'd really like to be able to use 4chan or something as a source, but it's not what we consider a reliable source. We've actually been able to document a few other 4chan meme's thanks to recent news coverage of "anonymous", but I'm not sure if we have anything on Suiseiseki. I try to keep my eye out for anything we might be able to use (as well as anything for good 'ol Pedobear, who isn't even mentioned).-- Ned Scott 04:38, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

"N-Field" vs. "Dream World"
I'd inadvertently added a "N-Field" entry to the "Terms" section without reading the "Dream World" entry very closely. It seems that the anime in particular blurs the line between these two terms. For example, in season 1 episode 6, Shinku calls Suigintou's domain her "sekai" or "world", whereas in episode 10 they promise to meet one another at the "N-Field", which, as it turns out, is the same location. In season 2 episode 4, Suiseiseki comments that the theater the dolls and Jun end up in doesn't seem to be Barasuishou's Field (with Souseiseki earlier referring to the puddle or perhaps the place accessible through the puddle as an N-Field). I'm thinking perhaps S1E6 is a slight script error (but I can't prove that, of course), and the Dolls' "dream worlds" are really N-Fields, because they don't inhabit them in their dreams, whereas humans are in their dream worlds when they sleep. Suggestions? 24.4.105.240 08:45, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Come to think of it, the only Doll seen in what appears to be her Field while asleep is Shinku (season 1 episode 10). Whether she's the rule or exception, I can't say. 24.4.105.240 13:47, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

The chicken or the egg?
"TV manga

A series of manga based on the anime have also been released."

What? The manga came first, right? And the anime was based on the manga? So what's this doing in the manga section? Or is this something entirely different? Could someone confirm/clarify this? KojieroSaske 04:23, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

The original manga came first, then the anime, then another series of manga which repliates the anime came along - what in the west we would call a movie picture storybook. Karn-b 15:46, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

Better Images
We need a better image of Suiseiseki and Souseiseki just to show their eyes. The current images have Suiseiseki only showing the side of her head, and Souseiseki has her eyes closed. --Bebopblue 15:57, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

ok I took some screenshots and added new pictures. How is it now? Ziiv 15:24, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

Royal Ruby?
Can anyone out there (or someone who knows German better than I do) find a reference for "Reiner Rubin" meaning "Royal Ruby" in Shinku's bio? Every German lexicon I've looked at implies "Pure Ruby", which is what we had earlier. I understand it sounds better than Pure Ruby and matches Shinku's character, but I haven't seen anything suggesting this translation. 24.4.105.240 11:19, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

Reiner Rubin does indeed mean Pure Ruby.80.202.178.93 20:28, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

Geneon licenses Rozen Maiden
As revealed by Anime News Network on 1/14, Geneon has licensed the anime Rozen Maiden. Elwin Blaine Coldiron 00:45, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Anime/Manga Split?
There are significant differences in both character detail and story line between the manga and the anime. Maybe we should be making the differences more obvious, by using additional headers within the article to indicate manga and anime specific information. The problem is that all the info seems to be intermingled...I was thinking of using headers within each area, but I tried it and it proved to be too unweildly. Any ideas on what we could do? Karn-b 17:43, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Split out the stuff that's different and just pool them in a "Differences between the Anime and the Manga" section? --Remy Suen 02:13, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

Detective KunKun
While it remains to be seen whether others can confirm this for me, Detective KunKun to me is not so much a general parody of detective anime so much as a DIRECT parody of Furuhata Ninzaburo. I'm not sure how many people still remember the show (I fairly remember watching it in Chinese subtitles), but the pattern that each KunKun episode follows, along with the presence of his skeptical cat partner, and a 'flirtatious' female suspect at some point show an arguable degree of resemblance. 130.13.208.167 01:42, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

storyline articles
i think we should have seprate articles following the storylines of rtozen maiden overtüre, rozen maiden traümend and rozen maiden. i know all about rozen maiden overture and i could write a full article for the two episodes, i can also write a full article for rozen maiden traumend: the last episode. who thinks this is a great idea?

Sir aaron sama girl 22:39, 2 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Actually, we're trying to cut down on articles that are mostly just plot. See WP:WAF, WP:NOT #7, and WP:EPISODE. -- Ned Scott 00:28, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

i just created a rozen maiden characters article, will that help too? or will it get deleted?

Sir aaron sama girl 00:44, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

on my user page is a rozen maiden episode 12 summary, put it on a rozen maiden traumed episode 12 article page so people can read what the episode is about.

Sir aaron sama girl 02:12, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

Seperate page for characters?
The main article is getting rather lengthy. Should List of Rozen Maiden Characters be created to help? --Anony 17:16, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

New Rozen Maiden Articles
i have crated four new rozen maiden articles:

List of Rozen Maiden Characters

Rozen Maiden Albums

Rozen Maiden images on this article's main page (Bara Shishou new image, an image tht shows all the dolls, not just two)

Rozen Maiden Traumend ep.11

and

Rozen maiden traumend final episode

—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Sir aaron sama girl (talk • contribs).


 * The character list is probably an ok idea due to size, but I still don't think we should do episode articles. We're trying to break away from having too much plot summary without encyclopedia content. -- Ned Scott 05:05, 7 March 2007 (UTC)


 * About episode articles. Um, it seems many other anime articles have already produced episode lists.  The one for Ah My Goddess happened to achieve feature status. KyuuA4 04:55, 15 March 2007 (UTC)


 * However, yes. No need to do individual articles for each episode. KyuuA4 04:56, 15 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Merged Rozen Maiden Soundtracks with Rozen Maiden Albums. Soundtracks article had very little information on it, not to mention was outdated by now. I assume that there are no complaints? KojieroSaske 04:07, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

Ugh, I ended up creating a character page as well because the character text remained on the main article. Thus, I presumed non-existence of one. By the way, a character page title: "Characters of" sounds better than "List of Characters" because of expanded content about the characters. Character pages are not just lists. KyuuA4 04:53, 15 March 2007 (UTC)


 * - I've linked the character page here simply under the heading 'characters'. change as see fit itakoaya

HEY! where is the Rozen Maiden Character page i created? i don't see it anywhere, and when i checked the history edits that 'characters of rozen maiden' page, i noticed that it isn't the one i created! what happened?

Sir aaron sama girl 20:55, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

Canon?
Is it known if any of the events in the Ouvertüre OVA's are considered canon to the manga? With the exception of the appearance of Enju and Shirosaki (who is actually Laplace who does appear in the manga) all the other events could definitely be tied in the the manga. -- Psi edit 00:04, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

Nope. The manga and anime are two different universes. There are no links between them, and the stories have many, many major differences. Karn-b 13:24, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

Yeah I figured as much. Suigintou will probably have her own past in the manga. -- Psi edit 18:50, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

before voices
i just got my first copy of rozen maiden, anyways... in the Rozen Maiden first drama CD, there were other actors voicing the characters:


 * Shinku - Horie Yui


 * Jun - Kobayashi Sanae


 * Nori - Hisakawa Aya


 * Suigintou - Noto Mamiko


 * Hinaichigo - Kaneda Tomoko
 * Tomoe - Kawasumi Ayako


 * Suiseiseki - Mizuki Nana
 * Laplace's Demon - Nakata Jouji

Sir aaron sama girl 20:39, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

Yes, that has been noted in the CD section. Karn-b 13:25, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

jun's school problems
i now have all three english volumes of Rozen Maiden, anyways... in the manga...did jun do something embarrasing to not make him wanna go to school? in volume 3 of the english translation manga, i can tell that jun did something very gross to make him not wanna go back, in volume 3, while he was trying to reteve shinku's arm, he kept seeing his past, the time he left school, etc.

people were saying it was gross, or, at least that is what the writing said, what did he do? did he 'do it' with his teacher? it has to be something outragously gross!

the thing about jun doing something to make him not wanna go to school should be in the unresolved issues section, but i need more info about it!

Sir aaron sama girl 20:53, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

It isn't an unresolved issue. In the manga, Jun is reluctant to go to school because he was teased and bullied when they found out his talent and skill at designing doll dresses. Karn-b 13:27, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

If you think about it the point of leaving the problem out is used in many differant stories, so either dissmiss the thoughts or worries that you have about it or just accept that it leaves it up to the imgination therefore allowing it to be "really bad" and if they did reveal it then someone might think that it was really quite embarasing and others may think that it is not that bad and that they have ahd worse and still continued living their lives normally... Just my thoughts, hope this puts your mind at rest Ericschulz 10:16, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

Relfio
uh, i'm wondering, is kukui a female singer, or a group of female singers, or is the group Relfio backup singers for each Rozen Maiden songs? i'm just wondering because in the songs sang by kukui, it sounds like Relfio are backup singers, and the songs sang for the Toumei Sheruta album sounds like Relfio singing as backups, to put it in a more easy way...

is kukui a one female singer with Relfio as backup singers, or are they seprate bands?

Sir aaron sama girl 18:41, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

Now about refio (not relfio, btw). refio was a group made up of riya and myu, but later riya formed the group eufonius with Hajime Kikuchi. I don't know if the group officially disbanded, but they have been inactive for a long time. I think myu was using refio as an alias or something for "Toumei Shelter" and Haruka Shimotsuki was hired to sing. Later they formed kukui. --Raica 07:06, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
 * kukui is a group, made up of Haruka Shimotsuki (vocal) and myu (music). "Toumei Shelter" sounds like kukui's songs because it is by the same people. Remember, the song was credited to refio + Haruka Shimotsuki?

Rozen Maidan <> Rozen Maiden Traumend desu
Rozen Maiden and Rozen Maiden Traumend is not two seasons of the same series. Rozen Maiden Traumend is a sequel series too Rozen Maiden. There's a difference. DJLarZ 18:07, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

I don't understand your message. What difference is there in what you said. Traumend is the 2nd season of the Rozen Maiden anime. Oh maybe I do get what your trying to say. What is the difference of calling something a "second season" to calling the same thing a "second series"? But it's just definite that Traumend is the continuation of the Rozen Maiden anime. Just as "Black Lagoon: The Second Barrrage" is the continuation of the Black Lagoon anime. -- Psi edit 22:42, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

Traumend continues the story from the first season without interruption. It's not a separate series. Ziiv 20:37, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

Rozen and the dolls
in the manga, it is said that rozen created the dolls because he wanted to give shape to alice, so he ended up with seven dolls, he wasn't satisfied, so he left them, shouldn't that be noted in the Characters of Rozen Maiden article? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Sir aaron sama girl (talk • contribs) 22:42, 22 April 2007 (UTC).

Rozen Maiden ended?
i know this isn't the right place to say it, but... Did the Rozen Maiden Mangas end? if i did, then i'm suprised, i thought it would last maybe ten volumes.

Sir aaron sama girl 01:48, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I think, there is possibility that Rozen Maiden will be continued at other magazine. She said that "The important information can not be announced until getting clearance from the parties". Anyway, we have nothing to do but wait.--Swind 06:17, 29 April 2007 (UTC)


 * It is ended for the time being, as noted in the article. Comic BIRZ still has the publication rights, and they've declared July is the finale. After that, another magazine can snap it up if Peach•Pit is still interested. I fully expect this to happen, considering Rozen Maiden is both hugely popular and Peach•Pit's best work. But until an announcement is made that it's being restarted elsewhere, it's officially over in July. I'd love to include more info in the article, but anything further is just speculation. Mal Bad 08:51, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

'''CHANGE OF PLANS: The Rozen Maiden Manga will be continued in Young Jump volume 20. It has been confirmed on desuchan.net (click on /ro/) and also on anime news networks. Straight from the source: "This year's 17th issue (on sale on March 27) of Shueisha's Weekly Young Jump magazine will confirm the relaunch of Peach-Pit's Rozen Maiden manga in the 20th issue (on sale on April 17)."'''  I hope that answered your question, lol. --Macdaddy5539 (talk) 06:14, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

Gothic Lolita?
Is it really appropriate to say that Shinku is dressed in Gothic Lolita style? By the show's own canon she's wearing authentic Victorian clothes. On top of that bright red doesn't seem particularly gothic lolita.Ziiv 13:33, 27 May 2007 (UTC)


 * It is a useful piece of information in terms of the context for the manga and anime when it was written. Hopefully, people will be reading these articles ten years ago and the question of "Why was this so popular?" is going to come up. Michael Hopcroft 05:45, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

Cicada's Shadow?
I have a question about Kukui's song, 'Empty Cicada's Shadow', is it refering to the bug or somekind of ghost? and, in that 'when cicadas cry' series, is the title refering to the bug or a spirit? Sir aaron sama girl 23:44, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
 * According to Japanese Wikipedia, utsusemi means a cicada's cast-off shell, and is an expression to refer to people living in this world. I think the connection comes from Buddhist philosophy. Mal Bad 07:20, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

Third season?
Will there be a third season (not counting Ouverture)? Has anything been officially said about the possibility of a third season?VDZ 16:28, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Are you talking about the anime? Nothing is official yet, but Peach-Pit has announced that they are continuing the manga so chances for a 3rd season have skyrocketed. I expect it will happen in 6 months or less. --Macdaddy5539 (talk) 06:21, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

Ouverture OVA?
Are the Ouverture episodes true OVA's? They've been aired on tv and I thought OVA's were all straight to video releases (Orginal Video Anime). At least that's what the letters stand for right? --Arnizipal 17:45, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
 * You're right. It shouldn't be labeled as OVA if it originally aired on TV as a special. I've edited OVA out. --EmperorBrandon 18:55, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

Terms Section
''(cur) (last) 15:55, 24 July 2007 Karn-b (Talk | contribs) (30,468 bytes) (Undo:Ong elvin. I recommend that we discuss removing this section on the talk page, before information is taken out. Rationales would certainly be a good start.) (undo) (cur) (last) 13:54, 24 July 2007 Ong elvin (Talk | contribs) (26,159 bytes) (→Terms - Decided this part is not necessary. These terms are not relevant to an encyclopaedic article, and the people who want to know can find it within the anime/manga.) (undo)''

That's from the history page. I would like to cite WP:NOT and WP:NOT in favour of deleting that section. This section I feel teaches more than presents facts. Furthermore, the terms are already explained outright in the series itself, so anyone reading/watching doesn't need this section. On a related note, the Gaming Scope guidelines, while not quite in the same class, says in the second paragraph to generally eschew information if it is only relevant to people actually playing the game. Likewise, I would remove this section for the same reason. Ong elvin 03:26, 4 September 2007 (UTC)


 * You're right, we don't really need to be teaching people something they learn from watching the show. Some information might be good to keep as an example of certain concepts, but it would be better to integrate that information in other places in the article. I suggest cutting the whole section and pasting it here on the talk page, so we can pick and choose anything of value and put it back into the article, if need be. -- Ned Scott 04:10, 4 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Moved the Terms section into here for the time being. Using the nowiki tag. Ong elvin 05:11, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

==Terms==
 * Dream worlds
 * These places are mirrors of a soul, containing elements from old memories or representations of important items. Both humans and dolls have them. For example, Suigintou's dream world is an abandoned snowy city, Jun's dream world is flooded with broken computer monitors, and Shinku's dream world is a cozy Victorian house. The dream worlds of all living beings are connected via an enormous tree, and the gardener Rozen Maidens, Suiseiseki and Souseiseki, can traverse this at will using their artificial spirits. The more closely related two people are, the closer their "branches" on this tree are located.  A person may be locked inside their dreams by Sui Dream or Lempicka, but the gardeners never do this as it would lead to insanity.


 * Soul trees
 * A special tree within an individual's dream world. Their size and growth reflects a person's lifeforce or mental state. The growth of soul trees can be assisted through the power of Suiseiseki's watering can and Souseiseki's scissors. This is demonstrated on Jun's tree in the anime to some extent by Suiseiseki alone, but the growth is hampered by weeds. She and her sister offer to fix Jun's tree, but it is determined that allowing him to grow on his own would be a far better choice.In the beginning in both the manga and the anime, Suseiseki calls Jun "chibi" due to his small sized soul tree. Later in the series as Suseiseki adapts to Jun, she stops calling him "chibi."


 * N-Field
 * The N-Field (n のフィールド) (possibly "nth Field", due to mathematical references such as Laplace) is a region of space that is the domain of a Rozen Maiden, and contains elements that are characteristic to the doll it represents. It can only be accessed via some object that "has fragments of life" — often, this is the mirror in the storage room of the Sakurada residence, but various other objects have been used, such as Jun's computer screen.  Every Rozen Maiden has an N-Field of her own, and she has a sort of home court advantage in her own Field, which can be offset by the power of a Medium.  When a Rozen Maiden loses her Rosa Mystica, her N-Field is shut down, and the things within vanish from sight.


 * Detective Kun-kun
 * A puppet-based television series about a dog that solves crimes. The dolls that live with Jun are positively hooked on it, and Shinku's (formerly Jun's) shelves are crowded with the show's merchandise. This series-within-a-series appears to be satirizing such popular anime fare as Detective Conan (Case Closed) and Kindaichi Case Files.


 * Rosa Mystica (plural Rosae Mysticae)
 * Rosa Mystica play an essential role in the Alice Game and are vital to the existence of every Rozen Maiden doll. They can be likened to a doll's soul. When a doll is defeated in battle, the Rosa Mystica will be ejected from the doll's body and that doll will be unable to move. Another Maiden can then absorb the Rosa Mystica, gaining the defeated doll's attack abilities and even the memories and thoughts of that doll. A defeated doll can also be revived by returning their Mystica to them. The original Rosa mystica was divided into seven pieces, afterwards giving a piece to each doll.


 * Artificial spirits
 * A companion entity that every Rozen Maiden has. It is in the form of a glowing speck of colored light that can fly around and assist the doll in battles. Only Suiseiseki and Souseiseki's artificial spirits have powers that can be used to help enter dreams and take physical shapes such as the watering can and the scissors. Others can also manipulate/repair material objects. Artificial Spirits can't talk but they do seem to understand orders when their master doll speaks to them and the dolls in turn seem to understand what they say. They can also transmit their master's voice on occasion, as shown in volume 6 of the manga with Hina-Ichigo's Berrybell. When their original master is defeated, the artificial spirit will join the winning doll. These spirits can also be given to another doll, as seen in the anime when Suigintou took them from Suiseiseki and Souseiseki.

How to Make a Girl
Peach-Pit has released a Rozen Maiden one-shot manga called "How to Make a Girl" in Shueisha's Weekly Young Jump magazine. It's about how Shinku was made. They're also supposed to make an announcement regarding Rozen Maiden in the March 27 issue of Young Jump.

I think this should be added to the article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.35.22.26 (talk) 10:47, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2008-03-24/rozen-maiden-confirmed-to-restart-in-young-jump-mag It has been confirmed that the Rozen Maiden manga will continue in Young Jump Magazine next month. I'm not sure how to edit wiki articles, someone who does should really add this stuff. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.35.22.26 (talk) 08:02, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

Manga ending?
Now that the manga has ended in Japan, perhaps someone can post a little summary in the manga section of the article?

--Someone needs to look into the new chapter of Rozen Maiden released back in April. It was called Tale 1 and showed an alternate universe where Jun chose not to wind, and lead up to the connection with Volume 8's ending. I think Tale 2 will be released May 19. Not quite sure. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.36.231.52 (talk) 17:02, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

Editing Problem
Just added an aditional little explanation on the new edition to the original Rozen Maiden manga. But somehow the wiki page doesn't generate the publishing time table I inputed. This in turn ruin the appearance of the next chapter. I should say I'm a noob when it comes to wiki posting. Did I do something wrong? Can someone please correct this problem? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.125.90.30 (talk) 20:53, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

Birz?
Why isn't there more information on Birz comics? From what I can tell, quite a few manga articles point to a red link for Birz, and nobody's taken the time to create a new article or fix the links. Also, is the official name "Birz Comics" or "Comic Birz"? —dragfyre 18:02, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
 * answering my own question (although I really haven't the foggiest) - it seems most other pages link to Comic Birz, so I created a link w/ stub for it. Hopefully someone who knows a little more about the magazine can fill it in. —dragfyre (talk 04:27, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

Getting rid of Trivia section
I'd like to suggest that we get rid of the Trivia section, since it's discouraged by Wikipedia style anyway. I've looked through the items in the section and tried to classify them into other sections - please feel free to comment and offer further suggestions. —dragfyre (talk 15:05, 4 July 2008 (UTC)


 * The popular internet "desu" meme originates from Suiseiseki's habit of appending the word — which is rarely grammatically correct, and is nothing more than a copula — to the end of every sentence. Kanaria and Hinaichigo share a similar speech habit, using "kashira" and "nano" as a sentence suffix respectively, but this has not seen a fraction of "desu"'s success.[citation needed]
 * New section: References in popular culture


 * The Rozen Maiden license was announced through a unique "Guess The Geneon License" contest through Anime News Network. This contest was conducted through a scavenger hunt held in the form of a podcast. Listeners had to discover various clues that were littered throughout the podcast English logo for Little airplane .[citation needed]
 * Section: Anime


 * Both Fashion doll companies Jun Planning and Volks have released a series of Rozen Maiden dolls. The Planning dolls are based on their Pullip and Dal Doll models.[15] Volks' Rozen Maiden-inspired designs are released as Super Dollfies. [16]
 * New section: Merchandise > Dolls


 * There have been several Rozen Maiden artbooks published. The most notable are called Rozen Maiden Entr'facte, Rozen Maiden ERINNERUNG and well as two novels called Die Romane der Rozen Maiden - Schwarzer Wind and Die Romane der Rozen Maiden - Kalkgrun Augen.[17] [18]
 * New section: Merchandise > Artbooks


 * In episode 11 of the first season, between 12 and 13 minutes(at 12:39), Suigintou has 6 fingers when she holds up her hand as she is taunting Shinku. This mistake has been corrected for the DVD version.
 * Section: Anime (?)


 * As the dolls in the story are told to be made by a German dollmaker named "Rozen", there are some German words in the Manga and Anime, not necessarily correctly translated. As an example, "Rozen Maiden" is told to be the German words for "Maid of Roses" but the correct words for that would be "Rosenmaid". In addition, every episodes title is also shown in German, often with the wrong grammatical gender, as an example: the 9th episode of the fourth season (called "the cage" in English) is associated with the German "Die Gefängnis" which is an example for the common false gender-translation, that makes the German language so difficult (right would be "Das Gefängnis").
 * Section: ????
 * Maybe merge this into a new section with the "differences between anime and manga" section, to make something like "issues"? Dunno...
 * I agree with your thoughts, but the 6-fingers thing should be removed outright. The grammar/translation stuff... hmm... not sure where that should go, but I know that some articles have put similar facts underneath an appropriately titled section. Sorry, can't recall off the top of my head, but I don't think it was a "differences between anime/manga" sort of section. The desu, kashira and nano copula I think should go to the individual character sections on the character page. Ong elvin (talk) 15:25, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
 * OK - I've sifted through some of the trivia points and moved them into different sections. I've removed the 6-finger thing, and left the grammar/translation thing there for now - anyone else have any thoughts on where to put this reference?
 * Also - in order to integrate the trivia points with the article, I've created two new sections: "Media" and "Merchandise". Anyone have any comments about these?  Should there be two sections, one for media and one for other merchandise, or should they all be under the same "merchandise" category? Never mind, I've taken a look at some other large anime/manga articles, and they seem to include all merchandise under "Media", so I'm going to do this here too. —dragfyre (talk 14:46, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Rozen Maidens and Country
I noticed the Rozen Maidens have foreign personalities. I wanted to say this months ago.


 * Suigintou - Japanese


 * Kanaria - Italian


 * Suiseiseki - American Girl


 * Souseiseki - Boyish American Girl


 * Shinku - German or British


 * Hinaichingo - French Little Girl


 * Kirakishou - Unknown


 * Barasuishou - Japanese

—Preceding unsigned comment added by Sir aaron sama girl (talk • contribs)


 * That may be, but is it necessary? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.36.136.38 (talk)


 * Agreed. Unless this information is canon (i.e. stated in the anime or manga), it's only personal observation, which constitutes original research (see WP:OR for Wikipedia guidelines prohibiting the inclusion of original research). It may be appropriate for a livejournal or other personal or community website, but not for Wikipedia. Thanks for understanding, everyone. --dragfyre (talk 14:15, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

Manga Continuation Update
Well, I think the Manga section should be updated; at this moment, two new Chapters have been released in Youg Jump Magazine. Here you can see a "trial" of the first Volume published in April I think : http://yj.shueisha.co.jp/info/new_serial/ And on the official Young Jump site, for the 25th issue, they announce the 2nd volume : http://yj.shueisha.co.jp/ (browse down) I haven't read (and comprehended) the new manga, therefore it should be investigated so the article could be updated correctly. G0rth0r (talk) 04:31, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I've taken the liberty of rewriting the manga section; please feel free to make corrections/suggestions. Should the plot summary for the Young Jump manga be any longer than it is? right now, it only summarizes up to the end of Tale 1. —dragfyre 17:55, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I've removed some of the detail and turned the Young Jump description into more of an overview. Hopefully this should give people enough of an idea of what's going on without having to go into a huge plot summary or anything. --dragfyre (talk 17:36, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
 * The statement that the Second Series in 'Young Jump' occurs in an alternate universe seems presumptuous, based on the evidence so far public and in wikipedia. It could have happened that this is Jun's second encounter with Shinku, and that he had chosen "non-wind-up" in the second letter, in contrast to his choice in the first letter.  Whether this is alternate or not will depend on what is revealed by Jun's memory, Jun's earlier self and by others, such as Nori, and whether the revealed information conflicts with the First Series. -- Also, I would like to resolve the ambiguity/uncertainty between the choices "wind/don't wind" and "wind-up/non-wind-up" (manga vol 1).  C2equalA2plusB2 (talk) 02:58, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

Rozen Maiden userboxes
Rozen Maiden userboxes have been created, for those who are interested in maintaining articles about the series and want to show it on their user page. —dragfyre (talk 18:56, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

Träumend English Dub
Do we know if Funimation is going to keep the same voice actors for the second season? Argel1200 (talk) 06:59, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I suspect not. I remember hearing people say that the new actors were different (and, in some cases, better) than the previous dub. I don't know where we'd find out for sure though. the Funimation site, maybe? --dragfyre (talk 17:27, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

Touhou?
Some time ago, I heard that Touhou Project was the inspiration for Rozen Maiden. Most notable would be Alice Margatroid and "Alice" in Rozen Maiden. Wikanata (talk) 00:36, 23 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Without it being verifiable to a reliable source, it can't be inserted into the article. --Farix (Talk) 02:18, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

manga image
why the heck did you guys use the third volume cover image? you should use the FIRST image. id otn see why articles are so random when it comes to this stuff.Linder1990 (talk) 17:32, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

If it makes anyone feel better, the third image is removed, for reasons that it does not follow guidelines. it refuses to be edited and it wont allow you to add any more information. Death Berry  talk  17:46, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

Also the image was not promotional. The first volume is much more promotional and NO, the guidelines say the earliest volume should be placed. and since clearly it cant be replaced with the first volume, removing it was the best decision. Death Berry  talk  17:48, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

Prooflinks for licence manga releases
I'm the new user, so I'm not sure about it. I want to add prooflinks to licence manga releases. May I use links from Amazon.com? Or should I find the Tokyopop links? --Hoshi Hikari (talk) 17:49, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

Third season
"Also, if there were to be a third season of Rozen Maiden (anime), there would have to be at least 26 episodes, and such said season would likely be released after Peach-Pit finishes the current Rozen Maiden "Tales" manga." I deleted this considering it's just speculation about a possible 3rd season, but if that sentence is from a reliable source feel free to re-add it with the proper reference. And I'm not sure if there's the need to add the fact that there's no information about a 3rd season coming up, there's the unresolved issues but not having anything should be enough to tell it doesn't exist. Lumi-chan (talk) 04:58, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Probably speculation. This article still looks like a lot of original research is left, such as unresolved issues. 陣 内 Jinnai 06:07, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

Refs dmp
UK DVD part 1 UK DVD part 2 S2 UK DVD #1 S2 UK DVD #2 reviews Mania.com --KrebMarkt 15:13, 13 June 2010 (UTC)

Adaptation
which oneis the adaptation? the manga or the anime? the way this article is written, it's very hard to tell. I assume it's the manga, since we have the DVD case....this article is very strange —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.249.176.77 (talk) 17:21, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
 * The manga was released first. The anime is an adaptation that develops a story of its own. ---189.250.233.244 (talk) 17:10, 21 January 2011 (UTC)

Internet Meme
This article makes no mention of the internet meme "desu" that this series created. It's a significant pop culture phenomenon that should at least be mentioned. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.127.255.228 (talk) 22:04, 27 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Have you tried listing it at List of Internet phenomena with a reference or two (Reliable sources)? - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 13:01, 28 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Right now, the use of desu is mentioned in the character description for Suiseiseki. I don't know if its use as an internet meme should be emphasized. ---189.250.233.244 (talk) 17:18, 21 January 2011 (UTC)

The plot of the manga is different from the plot of the anime series.
The plots of the original manga, the second manga, and the two anime seasons are not the same. Thus, the single entry Rozen Maiden should list only the common elements of the series, namely how it starts, and perhaps other facts.

Specific information that happens in the anime should be placed in their appropriate section, Rozen Maiden. In similar fashion, the Rozen Maiden section should contain general descriptions of the plots in the manga. That is, information from these sections should not be moved to Rozen Maiden, unless it applies to the entire series.

Said in a different way, unless separate top-level articles are created for each season and manga series, the Rozen Maiden article should provide brief descriptions (or plots) of each of the four stories:
 * 1) Rozen Maiden
 * 2) Rozen Maiden
 * 3) Rozen Maiden
 * 4) Rozen Maiden

This is the reason I think Rozen Maiden should be kept relatively short, and more detailed information can be given in the appropriate manga or anime section. ---189.250.233.244 (talk) 17:39, 21 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Well the current plot section is far from perfect, but it shouldn't list the common elements. It should list the manga's plot and then after that list the major differences. 陣 内 Jinnai 17:55, 21 January 2011 (UTC)
 * well i originally tried to make put the default storyline that both the initial manga and anime followed. the second series of the manga is an alternate universe, and the second season follows a much different storyline. If anytihng, it might be best to follow the initial manga storyline and consider the rest as adapted spin offs.Bread Ninja (talk) 19:03, 21 January 2011 (UTC)
 * "the default storyline that both the initial manga and anime followed." Yes, this is what I call "the common elements of the series". I have finished making edits now. If you want to review them, please do so. I do suspect, more details of the manga need to be included. ---189.250.233.244 (talk) 19:56, 21 January 2011 (UTC)
 * You were somewhat on the right track, but either you should go with all the manga and then describe the differences in the anime or describe the commonalities and under plot make a subsection for differences. The way its done now has too many small subsections. 陣 内 Jinnai 23:11, 21 January 2011 (UTC)
 * I disagree with "many subsections". Each manga series is a story, so each should have a subsection. Also, each anime season, if not big by themselves (only 12 episodes each), has a particular story, so again, two subsections seem warranted. To me, right now the article is neatly organized, and it's still quite small. When I'm reading an article, I like to read the table of contents, click on a link, and jump to the information I'm looking for. I think that perhaps we could judge the quality of the article based on the written text, and not merely by the number of sections it contains. I also refer you to the Fullmetal Alchemist article; it has the same number of basic divisions, Media, Manga, Anime. Of course, that series is longer, and Rozen Maiden is still very young. If Rozen Maiden eventually grows too much, then of course further "compression" would be needed for the article, but I don't think that should be a big concern right now. That's my opinion, anyway. ---189.250.233.244 (talk) 06:23, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

I"ll make the plot section mainly focus on the manga, and mention the differences in as a subsection. Similar to the Fullmetal Alchemist article. After that any other different plots such as the second series of Rozen Maiden can be left in there. Though i personally think the characters article needs more work as it primarily focuses on the anime. I"ll see what i can do about that, because i never seen the anime.Bread Ninja (talk) 23:39, 21 January 2011 (UTC)
 * I really like how Rozen Maiden is right now. Three paragraphs, describing how the series starts, giving the basic info on the "Alice Game", and that's it. Having a section describing differences between manga and anime may be very appreciated, but many times I've seen this abused, and editors nitpicking and pointing every single difference. It's bad when this happens. Are you sure this is really needed? About the characters, I intentionally tried to keep the character section in this article as small as possible. However, I definitely agree that List of Rozen Maiden characters is a mess. It has personal opinions, original research, etc. It definitely needs a rewrite. Perhaps there the subsections of manga and anime, for each character, are justified. ---189.250.233.244 (talk) 06:23, 22 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Possibly. I"m going to start trimming the list of character article. If you think the plot section is the right size, so do i. I''ll try to trim the list to the best i can. For now, the media section and merchandise is probably the only things we need to worry about in this article.Bread Ninja (talk) 06:34, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

Removing unnecessary
I believe we should remove the Alice Game, The N field and sea of unconscious. It doesn't contribute to the main article unless there was a terminology section we can place them and leaving the information there is making the article a bit in-universe. Anyone who disagrees please speak up now.Bread Ninja (talk) 15:58, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

I would also remove the differences between manga and anime since the information is also very trivial. The differences can be met in the characters section so there is no point listing the differences in the main article. Any objections?Bread Ninja (talk) 18:12, 26 August 2009 (UTC)


 * A special section for the Alice Game and the like may be too much, but not describing the Alice Game would be too far as it is a central driving part of the narrative. 陣 内 Jinnai 21:27, 26 August 2009 (UTC)


 * The Alice Game explanation is important, but does not deserve to be separate section to the plot. that's basically what i'm saying, but no worries. everything is fixed.Bread Ninja (talk) 15:25, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
 * As of today, it is not explained, so it needs to be added again. ---189.250.233.244 (talk) 17:12, 21 January 2011 (UTC)
 * As of today, this is done. Hopefully it stays there. ---189.250.233.244 (talk) 22:05, 22 January 2011 (UTC)