Talk:Rubenstein's Revenge

Hard to describe
Rubenstein's is notoriously hard to describe. Perhapses describing the main components of the pattern, then listing the throws step by step would be better. Or we could link to java demo of rubensteins as is done on the Burke's Barrage page. Also, Burke's Barrage is not a distortion of the cascade as two of the balls never alternate hands.

Sbacle 03:55, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

Okay, I went ahead and drastically re-worded things. I'm sure it could still use some improvement, but I think at least its a little bit clearer. Sbacle 05:38, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

Distortion
Rubenstein's Revenge is not a distortion of the 3 ball cascade, as that would imply that the siteswap is 3, but it is not. Though you could technically say that any 3 ball siteswap is a distortion of the 3 ball cascade, doing so negates the value of the phrase "distortion of the 3 ball cascade." To be more more accurate, you could say that Rubenstein's Revenge is a shape distortion of the siteswap 52233, or to be even more accurate, you could say that it is a pattern whose siteswap is 52233 using an underarm throw for the 5, uncrossing and recrossing carries for the 2s and two windmill tosses for the 3s starting with an under the arm throw on the first 3.

I'm going to revise this article to make these points. Michael Falkov 09:24, 12 January 2008 (MST)


 * It is a shape _and time_ distortion of 3 ball cascade (ss 333), it's ALSO a shape and time distortion of 52233 but it's fair enough to say 52233 if you like because that's closer in timing _if one assumes a fixed time interval for throws, with siteswap does not dictate_ (333 5223 522 900 etc etc are all isomorphic is a sense). Just bear in mind that siteswap doesn't tell you the height the ball goes or what timing it goes, either is valid. In any case I think siteswap is useless to describe this pattern (unless you're putting into a juggling simulation) and all the remarks about siteswap should be removed since they are unnecessary.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.104.248.190 (talk) 14:20, 1 July 2009 (UTC)