Talk:Rubus chamaemorus

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I do not think clouberry corresponds to the definition of a bramble. --Philipum 30 June 2005 13:35 (UTC)

aha. well, a bramble is a species of rubus, so is the cloudberry. Denisoliver 11:32, 21 July 2005 (UTC)


 * All brambles are Rubus, but not all Rubus are brambles, only some (Rubus fruticosus and close allies). I'd not call Cloudberry a bramble. - MPF 17:55, 9 September 2005 (UTC)

It looks similar to a bramble to me - well at least like the bramble / raspberry / loganberry family.


 * Strangely enough, when I was staying in Alaska, these were called salmonberries or aqpik. Anyone else familiar with the use of salmonberries like this? -Yupik 14:15, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

I believe that cloudberries are also called mûres arctiques in French. Please fix the article if this is wrong. DPoon 20:26, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

Uses
These wonderful fruit have a unique creamy texture/taste when very ripe, reminded me of peach yoghurt, tangy and mildly sweet. Halogenated 03:14, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

Here in southwest Alaska (Yupik Eskimo country) we call cloudberries Salmon berries. But I see the definition for salmon berry is one that is grown on high bushes on the aleutian chain and is more like a Raspberry.(they are somewhat flavorless) Cloudberries are very tart and are good for making Agutuk ( Eskimo Ice Cream). Can be very good mixed with strawberries or blue berries. The juice is excellent for making Jelly and the berries make a very good jam. Very rich in vitamen C. My Mom used to make pie out of the berries also. When there is a lot of snow during the winter the elders say there will be a lot of cloudberries. And sure enough after this years record snow fall we have a bumper year of Cloud Berries (remember we call them salmon berries here) fredn2 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Fredn2 (talk • contribs) 07:24, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

Some have even questioned whether Cloudberries are a myth.[1]
After a brief glance I could not find anything backing this sentence in the reference, could someone please confirm and delete it? 62.113.159.156 (talk) 08:21, 3 July 2008 (UTC)


 * I was looking through the link as well, since the sentence caught my eye. Could not find anything but someone's quite interesting travel log. I wonder if it's just someone's idea of a joke? I will remove the line and the reference.

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Pricing
10 euros for a kilo of cloudberries seems low in Norway for an upper limit. About a week ago I saw berries for sale at a sidewalk store in Oslo (Gyldenløves gate), the sticker asked for 220,- Norwegian kroner per kilo which equals more than 28 Euros at the current exchange rate. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.232.27.129 (talk) 21:28, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

Long Island
Doing a Google search for references to cloudberry on Long Island turns up a whole lot of not very much; a few reliable-looking references from the early 20th century refer to R. chamaemorus as having been found at a single site at Montauk Point, but reliable-looking later sources such as Aquatic and Wetland Plants of Northeastern North America indicate that that site has been destroyed. (see http://books.google.com/books?id=iwu5njkUFuoC&pg=PA188&lpg=PA188&dq=%22Rubus+chamaemorus%22+%22montauk%22+%22site+destroyed%22&source=bl&ots=STDuy7vCPz&sig=ak9ulG0nzNty-TpAtWUrxo8xoNg&hl=en&sa=X&ei=-El5Ub7NL6GT0gHY3YC4Dw&ved=0CDMQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=%22Rubus%20chamaemorus%22%20%22montauk%22%20%22site%20destroyed%22&f=false) I haven't found any references to any other site on Long Island where cloudberry currently grows. So I added a citation needed tag; I suggest we delete the mention of Long Island unless somebody can find a better source to back up that claim. 206.208.105.129 (talk) 15:30, 25 April 2013 (UTC)


 * "I suggest we delete the mention of Long Island unless somebody can find a better source to back up that claim" --- That's not the way it works in the US state databases that track rare plants (natural heritage programs, which also track rare/endangered animals). These databases are rigorous, and require vouchered plant specimens or detailed documentation --- but also do not list details publicly beyond general locale, and if a plant is known to exist in the state, it is classified as S1 - S3 where S1 = endangered, S2 = rare, S3 = uncommon. If all sites in a state are known to be extirpated, classification changes to SX; if a plant has not been documented but not known to be extirpated, it is classified as SH. (H = "historic)
 * The best official documentation on the status of Rubus chamaemorus in New York would be the New York Natural Heritage Program, which as of 2022 classifies Rubus chamaemorus as "SX". The proper thing to do is mention that it has been extirpated from Long Island, cite the NYNHP list, but do NOT delete mention of its historic presence in New York. Arghman (talk) 23:24, 1 April 2023 (UTC)
 * If you want evidence that cloudberry once existed in Long Island, here's a lead that mentions Norman Taylor's monograph on the flora of Montauk in 1923: https://www.easthamptonstar.com/archive/nature-notes-what-difference Arghman (talk) 23:26, 1 April 2023 (UTC)

Notable use in Norway
In cakes that contain marzipan? Original research or something said by one of many well-known (Norwegian?) chefs or a notably printed recipe in Norway? --Gazprompt (talk) 23:32, 15 August 2015 (UTC)

Norwegian sources
See below; for discussion/evaluation on use of source in Norwegian as evidence for public harvesting of cloudberries on federal or private property. There should be better sources in English. WP:OR and WP:CONSENSUS apply. --Zefr (talk) 21:57, 16 August 2015 (UTC)

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 * See NOENG You are incorrect, also you do not get to determine consensus (being the instigator); yes English sources are preferred if they exist, so find them rather than reverting. Falconjh (talk) 04:17, 17 August 2015 (UTC)
 * English sources added, FAO in particular is highly reliable, though I don't doubt your ability to question their reliability. Falconjh (talk) 04:52, 17 August 2015 (UTC)

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