Talk:Rudra

The Meaning of Rudra
I have moved this here. There may be some recoverably useful text, if placed in context. At the moment it's rather bizarre. Paul B 13:15, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Tamil is a great language but non Aryan language. You are bringing Tamil into Rudra since probably you are a Semite trying to create a coas or wedge. Will not work. This section is clearly a theosophical interpolation.

Rudra means the Lord of Ethers (Rodasi, Antariksha). The Lord vibrates through the ethers. His vibration in the ethers is like a roar, which can be listened by the ones who can listen to silence. Silence is the higher aspect of sound called Nada. The Rudras roar through the ethers transmitting electromagnetic waves. The whole world of the phenomena of light beyond darkness manifesting visible and invisible worlds is the work of Rudras. He is the fire that manifests the three worlds. He is therefore the three fires.

The Rudras are chiefly 11 and exist in the 3 worlds of cosmic, solar and planetary. Rudras function to create and to destroy. “Eleven are the Rudras and thrice eleven they are. Hence the number is thirty three.” An initiate of 33 degrees carries the knowledge of creation and destruction (Reference from the book on Rudras). The 11 Rudras exist in the human body in all the 3 planes: as mind, as the 5 senses and the 5 organs of action, as Akasa, as the 5 elements and the 5 sensations and as chief life manifesting as 5 major and 5 minor pulsations. Rudra associates with the body and conducts the vibrations of life, of mind and of Akasa. It is the function of Rudra that enables the pulsation in the body and the occurrence of thought, speech and action. He roars through the body. When he departs from the body, the departing soul as well as his friends and relatives roar (weep). When he begins his function in the body with the first breath, the just born child roars (cries). The Rudra roars through the sky like a thunder. The light manifests through such thundering. Such is the power of Rudra.

Rudra and Shiva must be different gods--Powerprowess (talk) 05:30, 21 January 2009 (UTC)


 * The section above not backed by WP:Reliable sources, can be considered as pure WP:original research.-- Redtigerxyz Talk 06:32, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

Interesting Page - Rudra, from the Tibetan Book of the Dead, Glossary of Key Terms - "...Rudra is the embodiment of rampant egohood, a being who assumed a powerful malevolent form, having misapplied the practice of the tantras in a previous life, and who was consequently subdued by the wrathful means of the buddhas Hayagriva or Mahottara Heruka. Lazzara399 (talk) 23:04, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
 * In his book Cutting Through Spiritual Materialism, Chögyam Trungpa glosses Rudra as the embodiment of wilful ignorance. Everybody got to be somewhere! (talk) 22:00, 13 February 2012 (UTC)

Arthavaveda, translation by Devi Chand - Book 19, hymn 9 - verse 10. "May the lunar eclipses be peaceful to us. May the solar eclipse caused by 'Rahu' be gracious to us.  May the comet, bringing in death and destruction (in its trail) be harmless for us.  May Rudras with sharp, penetrating brilliance be comfortable for us."

In footnote 2 to this verse, Chand states, "Rahu and Ketu are not demons, as interpreted by Griffith and Sayana" He goes on to associate them with phases of the moon, consistent with the Tibetan Book of the Dead. Rahu and Ketu are invoked as part of the Mandala Offering, in the TBOTD Great Liberation teachings.

In foot note three to the same Arthavaveda verse, Chand states, "Rudras also mean: Ten vital breaths, Prana, Apana, Vyan, Saman, Udan, Naga, Kurma, Devadatta, Dhananjaya, and the soul.  Vasavas, Agni, Vayu, Prithivi, Antariksh, Surya, Chandra, Dyaus, Nakshatra, Adityas - 12 months of the year.  Agnaya - 5 Agnis or fire, electricity and the Sun."

Makes me wonder if Tibetan and Vedic Mystics are a bit too enthusiastic about showing each other their wrathful forms.....? We all share the same holy mountain, boys and girls.

Homage to Manjusri, Homage to Shiva. Lazzara399 (talk) 01:18, 5 May 2010 (UTC)

meaning of Rudra
In the main article the meaning, Rudra is not clear; however, in the talk section, the meaning is in conformity with the Nigam and Agam litrature as well as the vedantic theo-philosophy.

"Rudra means the Lord of Ethers (Rodasi, Antariksha). The Lord vibrates through the ethers. His vibration in the ethers is like a roar, which can be listened by the ones who can listen to silence. Silence is the higher aspect of sound called Nada. The Rudras roar through the ethers transmitting electromagnetic waves. The whole world of the phenomena of light beyond darkness manifesting visible and invisible worlds is the work of Rudras. He is the fire that manifests the three worlds. He is therefore the three fires."

Rudra is the the Lord of Ether, the unmanifested form of Shakti(the manifested form) - 'Aham rudrebhir vasubhicharaamyaham" as per rigvedic Vagambhrani sukta in 10th mandala. The vedantic basic singularity in the ever changing apparent plurality.

WP does not need to have occidental sources to support its articles on the oriental philosophies, which ultimately looses its meaning and purpose between translations and thought processes. if anybody wants - they may reach out to the laurates of the Benares Hindu University, Shaivaites of the Kashmir or vedantics of Kerala and Tamilnadu in India. They will get ample amount of reliable sources to support this.220.255.1.113 (talk) 09:59, 23 December 2011 (UTC)

Just wanted to add the ultimate source which no body can question - is to get a good english translation of the Rudra Ashtaadhyayi (the eight chapters of Yajurveda; known as a Rudri in vernaculars language and people chant it in rudra abhishek everyday. In the said chapters, Portrayal of his existence is manifested in each and every aspect of life, as in many forms, yet he is the singularity which only enlightened can understand thus people pray to him to make them enlightened.220.255.1.111 (talk) 10:16, 23 December 2011 (UTC)

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Rudra Singla
Wo lodu hai Nabniggu (talk) 03:53, 16 September 2020 (UTC)

Rudra = Shiva
In many Hindu religious literature,Rudra is considered a form of Lord Shiva .Sadhguru also said that Rudra is a form of Lord Shiva ShikaDikaMika (talk) 09:49, 7 December 2020 (UTC)
 * That is in later literature. On this page, Rudra refers to the Rigvedic deity, of which shiva was an epithet. Rudra eventually evolved into Shiva, but it would be innaccurate to post-label Rudra as a form of Shiva here. Chariotrider555 (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 14:36, 7 December 2020 (UTC)

Is it possible to present a picture of the original vedic Rudra?
According to Athony's The horse, the wheel and Language the original vedic god was very similar to Heracles, smashing his enemies with a club. The later Hindu evolution, seeing it as a version of Shiva has little to do with this original god and the picture shown has nothing to do with that. So I would like to see the article giving information (and if possible showing) this original deity. For me the later evolution is fine (but far less interesting), but please tell us more on the origins and the connections to other indo-european societies.

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The Yajur Veda translation table under “Epithets of supreme rule” needs to be cleaned up; the transliteration standardized; the so-called "modern translation" should be removed, because it is not necessary or helpful. Do these lines constitute a single verse, or are they separate verses drawn from different places in the text? That needs to be made clear. Socksage (talk) 08:58, 19 May 2022 (UTC)

Diff of removal from article: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Rudra&diff=1088645190 Socksage (talk) 09:11, 19 May 2022 (UTC)