Talk:Rugby union in Mongolia

Requested move
moved. --RegentsPark (talk) 13:49, 22 April 2010 (UTC) Rugby union in Outer Mongolia → Rugby union in Mongolia — Outer Mongolia was an administrative division of the Qing Dynasty. "Mongolia" unambiguously now refers to the modern state, and almost never refers to Inner Mongolia in China without qualification. 84.92.117.93 (talk) 21:40, 1 April 2010 (UTC) Support: for the reasons given above. 华钢琴49 (TALK) 00:03, 2 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Support For same reasons given by proposer.  Skinsmoke (talk) 00:22, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose - About half of Mongolia remains a Chinese colony.--MacRusgail (talk) 17:29, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
 * That's an extremely controversial statement, see One-China policy. Nonetheless, this article is not about rugby union in Chinese Mongolia, it is about rugby union in the sovereign state Mongolia, hence Mongolia national rugby union team. Rugby union in Chinese Mongolia (if it is even played in those regions) is within the remit of the Rugby union in China article. 84.92.117.93 (talk) 16:21, 8 April 2010 (UTC)
 * "About half of Mongolia remains a Chinese colony." Why is this controversial?  Both China and Mongolia agree that Inner Mongolia is part of China.  And what does it have to do with One-China policy except that Taiwan still nominally claims Outer Mongolia even though only about 8 people in Taiwan still believe it?  —   AjaxSmack   08:16, 13 April 2010 (UTC)
 * I highly doubt the PRC regards Inner Mongolia as a colony, do you have sources to support that? In any case, see Mongolia. We have Economy of Mongolia, Demographics of Mongolia, Music of Mongolia, I cannot understand how rugby is any different to the above. 84.92.117.93 (talk) 12:48, 13 April 2010 (UTC)
 * From the Wikipedia definition of colony: "The political process is generally restricted, especially excluding questions of independence. In this case, there are settlers from a dominating foreign country, or countries, and often the property of indigenous peoples is seized, to provide the settlers with land. Foreign mores, religions and/or legal systems are imposed." China itself does not deny any of this.  I'm not sure of Mongolia's position.  And, just to be clear, I'm not arguing against a move.  In fact, I support it per nom.  —   AjaxSmack   14:53, 13 April 2010 (UTC)

Inner Mongolia is definitely a colony, it fits most of the criteria. Economic exploitation by a dominant ethnic group, military occupation, conquest, suppression of the local language (to get into local universities you must use Mandarin) and culture outwith the tourist context etc.

Mongolia is a far larger area than that encompassed by the state generally known as Outer Mongolia anyway.--MacRusgail (talk) 16:27, 13 April 2010 (UTC)


 * All true but there is currently only one state called "Mongolia" and, at least in the context of rugby union, it's the best title for the article. —   AjaxSmack   21:44, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Support move Purplebackpack89  (Notes Taken)  (Locker) 02:37, 22 April 2010 (UTC)