Talk:Rukmini

Birth Place of Mata Rukmini
The actual birth place of Mata Rukmini is Kundil Nagar not Haridwar. Kindly don't give wrong information.

Kindly read this article:

https://suryanaidus.wordpress.com/tag/the-king-of-kamrupa-saindhya-1250-1270ad-transferred-the-capital-kamrup-nagar-to-kamatapur-in-the-west-from-then-onwards/

http://karsewak.blogspot.in/2008/01/ancient-history-of-northeast-india.html?m=1

https://villageinfo.in/assam/tinsukia/sadiya/kundil-nagar.html

Swadipta (talk) 15:03, 21 October 2017 (UTC)


 * Swadipta - As explained in my edit summary "Wordpress is a publishing platform for self-published material so is NOT a WP:RS". Blogs are also totally unacceptable, whilst your third "reference" an "INDIAN VILLAGE DIRECTORY" entry, which gives the population, area etc. but has no mention of "birthplace" or "Rukmini" whatsoever. You need to find references in reliable independent sources, not a source related to the claim.  - Arjayay (talk) 15:12, 21 October 2017 (UTC)

Issue related to birth place of Rukmini
Then how does you add the birth place as Haridwar. Online Material isn't available in internet. People have been ignoring Assam and its 6 sisters from past and so no one come forward to write genuine facts of Assam. This is the land where Hari(Vishnu) and Har(Shiva) started fighting against each other(Sonitpur), Bhagadutta the king of Kamrupa(Assam) got participate in Kurushetra war, this is the birth place of Mahabali Ghototkach(son of Bhim) and Hirimba, this is the birthplace of Barubahan (son of Arjun). Kindly read history of Assam and along with Kamrup(Assam) Kindom. Then you have no doubt about it. Thank you sir.

Regards, Swadipta Swadipta (talk) 15:50, 21 October 2017 (UTC)

Wrong names
Sriji, Laadli and Kishori is the name of Radha Rani not Rukmini. Why this page is showing wrong information and misleading people. Maiou (talk) 07:54, 4 January 2021 (UTC)

Then what about the ladoobai? isn't that the name Rukmini RucirananaMadhav (talk) 13:05, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

Kishori is Radha's name. rukmini actually got the nickname of a woman who's still young but not Kihori RucirananaMadhav (talk) 13:20, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

i mean Rukmini also got a woman's nickname who will remain young but not by Kihori's name is Radha's name RucirananaMadhav (talk) 13:25, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

i mean Kishori RucirananaMadhav (talk) 13:28, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

i also wanted to add some of the Rukmini here and erase the wrong ones RucirananaMadhav (talk) 13:32, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

and why not at first the Rukmini residence was Dwarka and Vaikuntha and then why was it turned into pandharpur. RucirananaMadhav (talk) 13:34, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

etimology and nicknames
there are actually so many other names of Rukmini goddess Rukmini RucirananaMadhav (talk) 13:03, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

We can't add anything like that, we require reliable sources to support our edits. . 245CMR . •👥📜 13:29, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

yes and the source is the rule of my sasarrana to have it but unfortunately it's in sancrit only 20 I know RucirananaMadhav (talk) 13:42, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

i mean sahasranama Rukmini RucirananaMadhav (talk) 13:46, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

Adding few temples and images related to godddess rukmini to make this article more informative
regards ,

added few temples and images of the goddess. Pointn‬ Pointn (talk) 11:09, 20 July 2022 (UTC) all the images added are from famous temples of the goddess Pointn (talk) 11:11, 20 July 2022 (UTC)

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Rukmini temple = iskon guwahati
2409:4060:E84:63E1:0:0:D1CA:1907 (talk) 11:24, 6 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 12:25, 6 August 2022 (UTC)

Rukmini is not exclusive to the Warkari tradition
@Kridha Please note that while Rukmini may be venerated as a chief consort of Krishna in Warkari tradition, it is not the only tradition to do so. It is also not the only tradition to venerate her at all, as different traditions of Vaishnavism do so as well. You have objected to both of these statements in the past. I have already substantiated my points, but for your benefit, will do so again:

Chief consort of Krishna

In the Anushasana Parva of the Mahabharata (chapter 14}, Rukmini is described to be the chief consort of Krishna. https://books.google.co.nz/books?id=C5zKrCIBmBwC&newbks=0&printsec=frontcover&pg=PA161&dq=rukmini+chief+consort&hl=en&redir_esc=y#v=snippet&q=consort&f=false

In Malayali tradition, Rukmini is the chief consort of Krishna. The Krishna Charitam is a work by the famous Malayali poet, Kunjan Nambiar, and verse 12.16 clearly calls her his chief consort. https://books.google.co.nz/books?id=byTKAwAAQBAJ&newbks=0&printsec=frontcover&pg=PT159&dq=rukmini+chief+consort&hl=en&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=rukmini%20chief%20consort&f=false

Presence in other Vaishnava traditions

Rukmini is revered in Gaudiya Vaishnavism. She is offered adulation in the Brihad Bhagavatamrita: https://archive.org/details/sribrhadbhagavat0000sana/page/240/mode/2up?q=rukmini

The goddess is also venerated in Sri Vaishnava tradition, where she is the consort most associated with Krishna: https://www.google.co.in/books/edition/The_Religious_Sects_of_the_Hindus/ZWcwAQAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=sri+vaishnava+rukmini&pg=PA21&printsec=frontcover

I hope that you can see that Rukmini is neither solely venerated in Warkari tradition, nor is she the chief consort of Krishna only in this tradition.

Theologically, I understand that you believe that Radha is the only chief consort of Krishna, but as an incarnation of Lakshmi as well, so is Rukmini. Historically, Rukmini was associated with Krishna before Radha was, according to D.C. Sircar. There exists a real regional difference in the Radha/Rukmini chief veneration across India, and to favour only one side is not objective.

In conclusion, Rukmini is the chief consort of Krishna in several regions of India and in several texts, and in various traditions beyond the Warkari tradition. She is affiliated to Vaishnavism, not just Warkari tradition. As someone who acts under good faith, please read this and get back to me with your opinion. Chronikhiles (talk) 04:41, 7 August 2022 (UTC)

You are still not understanding the point. In Shaivism, even Lord Lakshmi Narayan are worshiped but there they are not the central deities. Ambit of Vaishnavism is huge and except in Warkari tradition Rukmini is not worshipped as the central supreme goddess in other sub traditions. In some subtraditions, the central deity is Sita, in some it's Radha and in some it's Lakshmi. That's why I asked you to be specific rather than writing a generalized statement. If there are other traditions than Warkari, where Rukmini is worshiped as the central deity, feel free to add it with source. I won't have objection about it. All I am suggesting is to be specific with tradition. Hope you get this point. Regards. Kridha (talk) 05:10, 7 August 2022 (UTC)

Being worshipped and being the central deity of any tradition is different thing. Goddess Radha as Rahi is also worshipped in Warkari tradition but we don't mention Warkari tradition in her case. Goddess Sita is also worshipped in Gaudiya Vaishnavism but still there she is not revered as the central supreme goddess. Every tradition has different ideology. We are mentioning only those traditions which are specially associated with that particular deity. Kridha (talk) 05:17, 7 August 2022 (UTC)

One more thing, stop being judgemental about my beliefs. You have absolutely no idea about my personal beliefs. So refrain from making any personal comment. Also, you have again recently edited the page while the discussion is going on. At least, have patience till we reach consensus. Thanks. Kridha (talk) 05:25, 7 August 2022 (UTC)

Hope now we have reached the consensus regarding traditions @Chronikhiles. Regards. Kridha (talk) 06:30, 7 August 2022 (UTC)


 * I understand your perspective, even if I disagree with your key argument. Yeah, we've reached a consensus where the wording of the article is concerned. Also, I was not judging your beliefs, I was merely making an inference for my inductive reasoning. I am sorry you were offended by that. I am glad we can move on. Chronikhiles (talk) 06:44, 7 August 2022 (UTC)

Iconography
User:Chronikhiles, the iconography section is currently a poetic description of Rukmini's beauty from Bhagavata Purana, and not an encyclopedic description based on an iconographical treatise. You may compare the iconography as described in Bhumi_(goddess) or Lakshmi. Suggest the current section be removed. Redtigerxyz Talk 11:35, 16 August 2022 (UTC)


 * Noted, @Redtigerxyz. I will modify the section with the provided comparative articles in mind. Chronikhiles (talk) 11:45, 16 August 2022 (UTC)