Talk:Run Run Shaw/Archive 1

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Misinformation
In 1972, he launched TVB (Television Broadcasts Ltd.) in Hong Kong, growing it into a multi-billion dollar TV empire ranking today as one of the top 5 television producers in the world. Someone made up this sentence in the article. When I wrote it originally, I said he started to invest heavily into TVB in the 1980s and became a major share holder. Then someone changed it to say he lauched TVB in 1972. TVB was founded in 1967, not 1972. Looks like someone is randomly changing the facts to vandalize the article. Someone please trace down who made the change and figure out his/her intention. Thanks. Kowloonese 23:26, 13 April 2007 (UTC)


 * SCMP says (in its piece announcing his death) that he co-founded the Shaw Brothers studio and .. TVB . — Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.246.175.126 (talk) 13:32, 8 January 2014 (UTC)

Why "Run Run"
I've always puzzled why his English name is "Run Run", anybody got any idea...? 124.244.74.178 (talk) 13:23, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

Low Importance in WP China?
I mean, he has a very high reputation in China. Buildings, schools named by Shaw can be found everywhere. --202.120.47.99 (talk) 11:07, 7 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Many things are called "low-importance" here, including devastating earthquakes. It shouldn't be taken as meaning the subject isn't as important to the world, but that knowledge of the subject isn't so important to an encyclopedia. He may have a high reputation in China, but that doesn't mean he is someone outsiders learning about China really need to know to understand China in general. InedibleHulk (talk) 06:36, 8 January 2014 (UTC)

The Hon. Sir?
As the GBM entitles him to the prefix 'The Honourable', I was wondering if his full title should be 'The Hon. Sir' rather than just 'Sir' as it is or is mixing up titles of honours from different countries not the done thing? --Charlie Huang 【遯卋山人】 11:10, 7 January 2014 (UTC)
 * No, sir. That is, no "The Honourable" for Shaw, sir. See WP:HONORIFIC. "Sir" is a title, but "The Honourable" is a prefix. The country part isn't a factor. InedibleHulk (talk) 06:33, 8 January 2014 (UTC)

Date of birth
His date of birth is uncertain, 1906 or 07, according to SCMP in its piece announcing his death. Do we agree? Should we amend the article to show this? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.246.175.126 (talk) 13:34, 8 January 2014 (UTC)

23 November 1907 seems to be the most common date if you Google it. Various sources say that. — Preceding unsigned comment added by GrimRob (talk • contribs) 13:05, 19 December 2016 (UTC)

Shao Yifu
User:Lmmnhn has repeatedly deleted Shaw's Chinese name Shao Yifu from the article, claiming it's not commonly used in English. It's not as common as Run Run Shaw for sure, which is why the article uses that name. However, Shao Yifu is prominently mentioned by tens of thousands of English sources. For example, the Time Magazine obituary. Besides, hundreds of buildings and libraries he donated money to build bear the name Yifu, not Run Run. Just google "Yifu Library" or "Yifu Building". -Zanhe (talk) 22:26, 8 January 2014 (UTC)
 * I had made a compromise hope that would settle the case.--Lmmnhn (talk) 22:47, 8 January 2014 (UTC)
 * It's fine, except that "Siu Jat Fu" is way too obscure to warrant a mention in the lead, IMO. Google returns a grand total of 3 results for the exact phrase (vs. 13,000 for "Shao Yifu"). -Zanhe (talk) 20:50, 9 January 2014 (UTC)

Lmmnhn's removal of summary of Shaw's philanthropy from the lead
User:Lmmnhn: the reason you gave in this edit for removing the summary of his philanthropy from the lead is nonsensical. Most of his donations are directed toward Hong Kong and China. In what other country are 5,000 buildings named after him? Also, you've already reverted three times. I see that you've been blocked before for WP:3RR violation, and I trust you know the WP policy about editing warring well. -Zanhe (talk) 08:09, 11 January 2014 (UTC)


 * If you didn't undo my edits before any discussion, it would not have started right? The thing is in Hong Kong the schools are named after Run Run Shaw but not Yifu. He also had a whole college named after him at the Chinese University of Hong Kong. So the your summary on his philanthropy only applies to Mainland China which can not conclude his whole philanthropy works, not to mention his Shaw Prize which has more global significance. It is either you have to further conclude his philanthropy works which would become too lengthy or it has to leave to be further explained in the philanthropy section. Only mention his philanthropy works in Mainland China in the lead section is too Sinocentric and not comprehensive at all. Therefore, in my opinion it is rightful to delete the sentence.--Lmmnhn (talk) 08:26, 11 January 2014 (UTC)


 * "If you didn't undo my edits before any discussion, it would not have started"? Are you kidding me? Who made this first revert, removing the paragraph without any discussion, not even an edit summary?


 * The summary I added to the lead already mentions both Hong Kong and mainland China. If you think an important point needs to be mentioned, add it, instead of removing the already short summary altogether. I agree that Shaw College and Shaw Prize should also be mentioned in the lead, in addition to the 5,000+ buildings in China named after him. As it stands, the lead is way too short for an article of this length. Lie Kim Hok, for example, a feature article of similar total length, has a lead section at least five times as long. -Zanhe (talk) 16:50, 11 January 2014 (UTC)


 * As the evidence which you have shown has spoken for itself, it was an edit but not a revert as I was just editing the lead section which I thought was inappropriate and did not intend to revert anyone's edit in particular, which is complete different from your case. As there are a lot of editors including the anonymous ip addresses, it is not realistic to track every edit and revert and add edit summary to every edit, as many editors on this article have also done. As I said before and I am restating now: it is either Shaw College, Shaw Prize and the buildings bearing the name "Run Run Shaw" to be added with the 5,000+ buildings in China, or it has to leave to be explained in the content. If you go for the former option, I would not have any objection.--Lmmnhn (talk) 19:11, 11 January 2014 (UTC)


 * Could you know the name in Chinese Character of Wang Shun Xiang (mother of Run Run Shaw) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 113.168.110.109 (talk • contribs) 19:09, 13 January 2014

Archiving error
I don't know what's causing the archive box on this talk page to show a bunch of irrelevant redirects instead of the actual archives. I reported the problem but didn't receive an answer. As of this writing, the actual archives for this talk page can be found here: Talk:Run Run Shaw/Archives/2011. --BDD (talk) 21:17, 17 May 2015 (UTC)

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