Talk:Runaways (comics)/Archive 3

Split Summary Section Vote
Okay, since the spilt for summaries has been up for a month and nobody has voiced any objection, I'm gonna go ahead and split it. JQF 19:20, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Wow, I never saw that discussed on the talk page. Don't split. The summaries need to be condensed and kept as part of this entry. There have only been what? 36 issues? That doesn't warrant a separate entry. It'll just get merged again anyway. --Chris Griswold 20:36, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

Topher
Was Topher ever really a member of the team? I mean, he never got a chance to do anything, and everybody really hated him, he was like in the Hostel for like a few hours (relative). Opinions? Mishy dishy 22:23, 15 June 2006 (UTC)


 * I don't think he was ever part of the team, I believe they just brought him to the Hostel, like having a friend over. I think he should be taken off of the notable former members list.Silver lode
 * Agreed! To the edit page! --Chris Griswold 04:07, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I'm re-adding Topher. With dialogue like "Welcome to the club" and "You're off the team" it seems clear to me that the Runaways DID consider him to be one of their own, even if he was on the team for only one night. Chase even called him the "new kid." -Sandoz 21:33, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
 * However, both of those quotes are from Alex, who admits that he only let Topher come with them was to get the team into a battle.24.218.65.219 23:21, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Oooh! Snap! --Chris Griswold 06:48, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
 * And how does that contradict Topher's status as a team member? Alex knew what Topher really was, but he still let him join the team. There was an entire story arc built around the "new kid"; he at least deserves a brief mention on the roster.Sandoz 20:48, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Riposte!! --Newt ΨΦ 20:54, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

plot summary
I condensed the plot summary and re-merged. Please see Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Comics for more details. --Chris Griswold 16:27, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

Xavin
Who wrote that thing about Xavin? Is it confirmed? If not, it should be taken down. If so, PLEASE do not post something as fact until it has come to pass!--Radaar 19:13, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Do previews count? <--Contains Spoilers, as most previews do. Majin Gojira 21:12, 26 June 2006 (UTC) (edited)
 * Please use when adding information gleaned from advertising, publicity, and solicitations. The information should be tagged so as not to unfairly spoil people who don't read those sources, and also because these sources are not as reliable as the comics themselves.--Chris Griswold 22:37, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Sorry about that, but to be quite honest, that's what a preview IS. I will change it, but it seems kinda redundant. - Majin Gojira 02:03, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

Runaways picture
I changed the picture for Runaways because it contained spoilers for the first volume. It spoiled who the mole was for me. I changed it so that the same doesn't happen to anyone else.


 * Even though there's also spoilers in the text of the document? Reverting, it's been several years since its publication and there is, at least in my opinion, a statute of limitations on "spoilers" -- Majin Gojira 23:04, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Agreed. --Chris Griswold 04:16, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
 * If someone wants to spoil themselves by reading past the document spoiler tags then they can make a choice do to that. The picture has no spoiler tag. I wiki'd runaways because I had reached a point in the hardcover where the other artist had taken over and I was interested if that artist was remaining or not, and what I immediately saw was Alex missing. Big spoiler, very few people have read this book compared to the kind of audience that can enjoy it. It has not been several years since its publication, the first volume ended less than 2 years ago. It is selfish to want to keep a picture that discourages new readers from looking up information on the Runaways on Wikipedia because they don't want to be spoiled without a warning. Ucdawg12 17:25, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
 * He makes some decent arguments. There's no harm in using the cover to the Hardcover (which is up currently) Elijya 17:39, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Actually, I'd prefer to use a picture with Victor in it. --Chris Griswold 21:57, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I fully disagree. It's the kind of spoiler that's pretty much up there with "Luke, I am your father" in terms of "old hat", IMO. You can only whine about spoilers for so long--and I've seen people whine about Lord of the Rings spoilers when the books have been out for 60+ years. Some people believe that spoilers can 'ruin' a story, but this is a falsehood. A good story works regardless of the events that occur in them--it is how the events are handled that matters. I'll revert it back to the "Spoiler-free" cover until this matter is resolved. Sorry 'bout that, my fault. -- Majin Gojira 23:14, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

Ok just chipping in my two cents, maybe there is a bit of a point to the image change... though the series has been out for a while, none the less though the picture now being used is horrible for the scope of the article. Beyond hair color of the characters it shows very little, you can't even see most of their faces, please either put up a cover pic, or something jeez its awful.--68.231.174.183 07:44, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
 * That is from the latest issue's cover. Most covers just sho one character. It's the most up-to-date picture yet, and there has been no team picture without Gert or her body. --Chris Griswold 08:37, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

All right in case some of you guys haven't read the latest book yet, ... Nico was shot last issue, and while this makes it seem that she is the doomed Runaway, she is shown on the cover of the Civil War: Young Avengers/Runaways issue. Anybody have an opinion. I know that this isn't a blog and it would only be speculation, but I enjoy speculating with other fans, at least on talk pages.--Wakefencer 03:16, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
 * To be honest, when I condensed the original play-by-play plot summary in this article, I found a ton of clues in the text that pointed toward Nico's death. --Chris Griswold 05:28, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I'm almost 100 percent certain that Chase is the one who dies. Previews of issue 18 (three pages, none with dialogue written in yet) show him running into a burning building. But the actual reason I believe he is the one who croaks: he's 18. This is the story about kids living outside the system. But Chase no longer has to be a runaway, turning 18 means he can do what he wants with his life. If you want more speculation on this, check out brian k vaughan's site, he has a TERRIFIC forum that he attends to religiously, way too much for a guy who has 4 books to write monthly :P 70.71.162.88 06:55, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I'll tell you why it won't be Chase: Vaughn planted a character detail with Chase, about killing a person. Plus, Nico and Gert figured out who team leader will be when Nico dies, plus Chase has used the Staff of Fun to stop the fake Cloak. I am going to end this discussion now, though, because while it's tempting, this isn't the place to geek out like this. --Chris Griswold 10:10, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

lol, you were all wrongDoeswhateveraspidercan666 (talk) 00:40, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

Xavin is not a team member
He just makes out with Karolina. I don't think he has a Runaways Identibadge™ to get into Runaways Mansion™. (Identibadge and Mansion are nonsense). Xavin's just kind of a groupie who doesn't know when to leave. I think I've presented a reasonable, coherent argument here. --Chris Griswold 21:48, 11 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Not really, but you do have a point. Victor was not considered a memeber, really, until his second arc appearance where he fought supervillains with the rest of the Runners. Therefore, until he A) announces that he plans to stay at the Hostel, B) Fights supervillains with the rest of them, he should be kept as a "visitor. -- Majin Gojira 22:25, 11 July 2006 (UTC)


 * What he said, but I still think tomorrow someone is going to come in and write topher and xavin back in as memebers. Then it just turns in to a little edit war. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Silver lode (talk • contribs)
 * You're right, `lode. I'm going to leave some notes in the code; I've actually found that to be effective on most occasions. --Chris Griswold 11:29, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

Why is Old Lace listed as a member? She's Gertrude's pet dinosaur, not a human being. At least Xavin is sentient. I know dinosaurs might have feelings, but for real, that's like saying my dog is a member of my soccer team.--Wakefencer 00:47, 14 July 2006 (UTC)


 * HA! I didn't notice Old Lace was listed there.  I would not include her, but maybe have a little something writtin about her in the article.

Of course everything in this discussion is opinion folks. Don't be too absolute 70.71.162.88 06:52, 17 July 2006 (UTC)


 * I'm not sure what that means in the context of this discussion thread. --Chris Griswold 10:11, 17 July 2006 (UTC)


 * I think it means that you have to be flexible and willing to change, ie adaptable. As such, I think Old Lace sould probably go under Gert, as OL is an extention of her (in a way). And wasn't Topher officially called a member? JQF 23:09, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

As of issue 18, Xavin lists himself as a Runaway AND fights supervillains alongside them. My criteria are met, but will withhold changes in the article to refrain from (most) spoilers. -- Majin Gojira 18:35, 19 July 2006 (UTC)


 * I dunno, the main criteria to be a Runaways is having a supervillain parent, and Xavin's parents have not been revealed. 24.218.65.219 02:04, 25 July 2006 (UTC)


 * The Skrulls have, as a race, been antagonistic towards earth since their creation. -- Majin Gojira 02:29, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Oh yeah, totally a team member. That was all I needed. Some gender clarification would be nice, though. --Chris Griswold 07:47, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

The main criteria to be a runaway is to have RAN AWAY. duh. can't believe that can be argued over. Having evil parents is what makes them interesting and gave the original team reason to run away. Xavin is a runaway because him and Karolina can no longer return to their planets. As long as they're together he will be with her -- he will be the runaway Skrull prince. Just e-mail Brian K Vaughn. He'd tell you the same.&mdash; ChocolateRoses talk
 * First of all, it doesn't help to be rude. Comments like "duh" don't make the conversation go anywhere positive. Additionally, this argument is over a month old, and we came to an agreement, partially aided by the fact that he has been referred to as a member of the group in the comics. Finally, there is a difference between someone running away and being a member of the titular group. They've argued before about accepting new people and have voiced regret over having done so in the past. Running away is not an automatic in with them. --Chris Griswold (  ☎  ☓  )  00:53, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

The Fate of Chase Stein
Is Chase really still a member? It is stated taht heran away from the team, which is basically quitting the team. Mishy dishy 02:30, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Chase never ran away from the team. You might be thinking of Wither in New X-Men.  P.S. should we include that information about Gert if the summary part of it isn't in the article.--Wakefencer 13:33, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
 * You're right; he ran away from the team. --Chris Griswold 11:10, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Not according to the current Runaways/Young Avengers crossover, which takes place after the issue where Chase supposedly ran away. --user:sleepy_geeky
 * This is what happens when you forget to go to the comic store for a couple of weeks, you get totally confused.--Wakefencer 13:33, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I sometimes think it's the opposite. --Chris Griswold 21:13, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I don't see it. They never said that Chase left. I don't think he left. 64.105.43.205 00:46, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
 * They said he ran away. That usually requires leaving. Although, this one time I said I was running away from home, but I really hid in the basement. My parents still edited me out of the "current members" section of the family wiki. Uncool. --Chris Griswold 06:32, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

From what I can gather, he leaves for most of ""Dead Means Dead"", only to return at the end of it (as he is present in YA/Runaways). -- Majin Gojira 00:51, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

Chase Stein Article Deleeted!
It now redirects here. No one seemed to notice its Vote for Deleetion page in over a month! How did that happen!? I smell something fishy, so I reverted it and bring it up to your attention. Take a look at the long delay and the short time the actual Vote for Deleetion actually encompased. -- Majin Gojira 14:53, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I can't find an AfD mention in the edits. Where do you even see it? I don't at least see an "AfD" among the edit summaries. --Chris Griswold 21:00, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
 * It's only mentioned, after the fact, mind you, on the Talk page. -- Majin Gojira 21:16, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

Runaways bios
Fixed several typos in the bios on the front page. (Punctuation, "Guidence" ---> Guidance", etc.) Also, Chase left the team because they disagreed over what to do with Gert's body, not where to bury it. I also altered the descriptions of the Pride (Nico is the daughter of "dark wizards" rather than "magicians") to match up with the profiles on the "Previously" page of the comic book.

Also, "Runaways" should be capitalized since it is the official "team" name and thus a proper noun. Sandoz 21:09, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Please cite the use of the team name in the series. The situation is similar to that of Birds of Prey, in that, while promotional or Who's Who material and fans might have referred to them as the Birds of Prey for ease in discussion, the name isn't even mentioned or considered until recently, right before the One Year Later jump. Before that, characters just referred to them in connection to Oracle. Likewise, the characters in Runaways, while referred to as having run away, are usually called the "Pride's kids", "that group of kids in LA", etc. They never say, "Hey, green guy! Join the Runaways!" No one tells them, "Hey, Runaways! If you registered, that would be awesome! Thanks!" Chris Griswold 09:16, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Since that is the case we should follow the standard set by the Birds of Pray article, whatever it is. IIRC, that would call for capitalization (do correct me if I am wrong). - Majin Gojira 13:17, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Good call, Majin Gojira. That article makes mention that "Birds of Prey" was not mentioned until recently, and that it is not the name of the team. It then proceeds to say things like "Oracle's operatives" or address the characters by name. --Chris Griswold 13:35, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

Alex Wilder
Just skimmed the plot summary and its really not big enough on this character. I think it should be stated he was their leader and how much of a shock it was to them (and some readers) and the repercussions to today, as I'd expect with Gertrude's death.&mdash; ChocolateRoses talk