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Edit request from, 19 October 2011
Please edit: Murdoch's business interest in Italy have been a 'source contention since they began.

To read Murdoch's business interests in Italy have been a source of contention since they began.

207.181.196.24 (talk) 11:55, 19 October 2011 (UTC)
 * ✅, thanks for pointing that out-- Jac 16888 Talk 12:46, 19 October 2011 (UTC)

Not american
He may have American citizenship, but he identifies with an Australian national background. --Mr Serious Guy (talk) 18:13, 27 March 2012 (UTC)


 * However, his Australian citizenship was revoked, and this is documented and cited in the article. He is a living person whose only current citizenship is American. To use the term "Australian" in the lead sentence, we would have to use the past tense, and we don't do that until he is dead. After his death, editors can argue about and form a consensus about how to describe him. While he is alive, the lead sentence must remain accurate, and he is currently only an American citizen. See WP:OPENPARA for our guidelines on this. Yworo (talk) 19:12, 5 April 2012 (UTC)

Old Winker?
It was apparent today, when the email referring to Hunt was read out to the Inquiry, that the clear 'joke' aspect (viz: the emoticon ;), which denotes a 'wink' ) had been lost as evidence. The Quizmaster did not mention it at all when he read out the message, and if Murdoch Jnr. had not pointed its presence out, people could have interpreted this email as evidence of corruption!! Has a specialist in Emoticons even been consulted to decipher the real meaning of these emails? How many of the other emoticons have NOT been read out? Is Leveson at all conversant with emoticons - does he for example, know the difference between LOL and IMAO? Or indeed 8:-) and @@@@:-) - I seriously doubt it. Add in the huge number of typing errors made by NOTW journalists and the possibility of a miscarriage of justice is horrendous. The page should be cross-referenced to an emoticon glossary 212.139.96.55 (talk) 23:17, 24 April 2012 (UTC)twl212.139.96.55 (talk) 23:17, 24 April 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.139.96.55 (talk)

Media Portrayals...
Wasn't Rupert Murdoch the basis of the newspaper editor in the Travolta film "Michael"? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sexmoron (talk • contribs) 21:28, 3 May 2012 (UTC)

Rupert Murdoch opening sentence.
"Ethnicity or sexuality should not generally be emphasized in the opening unless it is relevant to the subject's notability. Similarly, previous nationalities or the country of birth should not be mentioned in the opening sentence unless they are relevant to the subject's notability." I think Murdoch's previous citizenship should be added to the opening sentence because his country of birth is relavant to his notability. He started his media empire, News Corp in Australia. Crzyclarks (talk) 01:00, 20 May 2012 (UTC)


 * It's been discussed. "Australian-American" is not a nationality. It is generally read as referring to a person born in the US with Australian heritage. Murdoch's Australian citizenship has been revoked, so it is also misleading. Finally, the second sentence starts with the fact that he was born in Australia. It's also clearly visible above the fold in the info box. How many times do you think it needs to be repeated? Nationalistic much? Yworo (talk) 01:04, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

I don't read it like that, where did you get that from? It's not misleading, it doesn't mean having citizenship of both countries. Doesn't matter what the second sentence says, him being Australian is notable because his company, the world's second largest media conglomerate was started in Australia. Judging by the rules, that means it should be said in the opening sentence. Crzyclarks (talk) 01:13, 20 May 2012 (UTC)


 * If it's not a citizenship, then it's intended as an ethnicity. cf Italian-American, Polish-American, Spanish American, etc. I was involved in writing WP:OPENPARA: hyphenated expressions are precisely what that wording is intended to discourage. Yworo (talk) 01:26, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

I'm not sure how your last response invalidates what I said. Hyphenated expression are not mentioned in WP:OPENPARA. "previous nationalities or the country of birth should not be mentioned in the opening sentence unless they are relevant to the subject's notability." That doesn't have anything to do with ethnicity. Crzyclarks (talk) 01:43, 20 May 2012 (UTC)


 * If you go look at the discussion on the talk page that led to the current wording, you will find that the intent is clear from the discussion. We don't just follow what we think the wording means, we follow the intent of those who crafted it. I was involved in the crafting, and I'm sorry it's not clear to you what the problems are with ambiguous hyphenated expressions that have different primary meanings in American vs British vs Australian English, but I assure you that these hyphenated expressions are not read the same way in all varieties of English, so they mislead some readers. Don't use them. Yworo (talk) 01:47, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

Nothing on the page even comes close to mentioning hyphens. Unless it is in the article, it isn't part of the rules/guidelines. If you are so against hyphens, (which I don't believe have different interpretations common to each of the countries) then state Australian-American without the hyphen. Crzyclarks (talk) 02:14, 20 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Again, the lead sentence tells the subject's citizenship. Since Murdoch is not an Australian citizen, it would be inaccurate and misleading to state that with or without a hyphen. Either way, it can be read as a person born in the US of Australian descent, and that's the most common reading in some varieties of English. The lead is perfectly accurate and in alignment with our policies and guidelines the way it is. It does not need to be changed. It accurately summarizes the birth and career of the individual, and there is no need for any type of inaccurate circumlocutions in the lead sentence. Yworo (talk) 02:41, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

I bring you back to the guideline: "previous nationalities or the country of birth should not be mentioned in the opening sentence unless they are relevant to the subject's notability." As I have explained, being Australian is relevant. If you don't think that is how it should be done, then take it up with them. I'm changing it, as we're just going around in circles. Crzyclarks (talk) 03:05, 20 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Gee, what's so hard to understand about the phrase "Australian American" being misleading? What's so hard about writing clearly without using such a misleading phrase? Applying simple common sense beats Wikilawyering like that eight days a week. Yworo (talk) 04:51, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

Comments on Diff...
This paragraph is going in and out… - would any users more familiar with BIO articles be able to give me some guidance on if it's the sort of sourced content that belongs in or not? Cheers, Fayedizard (talk) 12:27, 19 June 2012 (UTC)


 * It is properly sourced and neutrally worded, so it stays, per NPOV, which requires coverage of all sides of the subject, including both positive and negative information. If you check the contribution history of the one who deleted it, they are a serial vandal, removing properly sourced content that isn't positive toward right wing causes. That's a serious policy violation. -- ButteLeisure (talk) 04:37, 13 July 2012 (UTC)

media dipstick?
hes a media dipstick? really? cmon wiki... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.99.0.149 (talk) 16:16, 24 September 2012 (UTC)


 * We've had the vandals in, reverted. Thanks for pointing this out.-- ♦Ian Ma c M♦  (talk to me) 16:20, 24 September 2012 (UTC)

Rupert Murdoch - American?
Rupert Murdoch was born in and has lived in Australia almost his entire life. He was born in Australia when it was part of the British Empire. He is as "American" as Chaim Weizmann was Russian or Albert Einstein was German. The USA may be a useful place for him to stay now that the British are considering prosecuting him as a criminal.Pgg804 (talk) 02:44, 5 November 2012 (UTC)

Media mogul
Just a Question: what/who decides what/who a media 'mogul' is? What are the criteria? I published a blog post that five people read... oh and three of them reposted it, does that make me a media mogul? } Skopp (talk) 20:35, 17 December 2012 (UTC)

Criticisms
Criticisms:
 * - Commentary about Murdoch's political bias is not cited.

Author uses a straw man to defend arguments about Murdoch and Oaten. This is speculative. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lhoffmans (talk • contribs) 22:34, 8 May 2006‎
 * - Should mention the beginning of his business career in Australia;
 * - Should mention UK business rivals from the 1970s and 1980s, especially
 * Robert Maxwell (also a "pioneer" of page 3 girls); — Preceding unsigned comment added by 141.76.21.34 (talk) 04:33, 19 June 2003‎
 * DISAGREE: Maxwell was not a pioneer of p3 girls. They were first suggested by a man called Vic Giles: Maxwell merely followed in footsteps, as it were! Cunningham — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cunningham (talk • contribs) 16:11, 29 September 2004‎
 * - I don't think labelling *anyone's* politics left or right wing is informative: at least call him a neo-conservative and mention his influential place in american neoconservatism, esp. due to The Weekly Standard and his funding of conservative media (cf. Scaife)
 * - His daughter, Elisabeth Murdoch, is interesting enough to deserve a mention. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 141.76.21.34 (talk) 04:33, 19 June 2003‎
 * - Many consider Murdoch as a right wing media propagandist and monopolist, with little or no real interest in the tenants and ethics of journalism. I would think this would warrant the creation of a controversy or some similar section. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.76.232.2 (talk) 23:59, 24 February 2009‎

Charles http://www.linearity.org/cas — Preceding unsigned comment added by 141.76.21.34 (talk)‎ 04:33, 19 June 2003 (UTC)

Deleting 1952 reference, see entry on talk page
Deleted entry that read:

"In 1952, he was for a bill that legalized the burning of Jews."

No reference provided. -- dbt 21:03, 7 December 2005‎ (UTC)

No mention of recent purchase of MySpace
There’s no mention in the article of the recent purchase of MySpace and any intentions that Murdoch may have with the company — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.40.136.116 (talk) 17:15, 3 April 2006‎ (UTC)

The Sun
As far as I'm aware it was The Sun which Murdoch acquired in England and not the Mirror as stated in this piece. And The Sunday Times as opposed to the Sunday Mirror! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.41.166.17 (talk) 22:22, 8 August 2006‎ (UTC)

POV?
"In November 2006, Murdoch brought 17.9 percent of British broadcaster, ITV. This was a ruthless move to effectively block BSKYB's rival NTL from merging with ITV." Sounds a POV there, what with the "ruthless". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.79.163.163 (talk) 23:53, 23 November 2006‎ (UTC)

Page Three Girl reference missing
The article has no reference to Murdoch's introduction of the Page Three girl which was a major contribution to his financial wealth at the expense of journalism. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.202.248.81 (talk) 12:52, 23 July 2007‎ (UTC)

Rupert Murdoch served on the board of Philip Morris Companies, Inc. from 1989-2001
Rupert Murdoch served on the board of Philip Morris Companies, Inc. from 1989 to 2001, and was on the Executive Committee for much of that time. This was before the splitting of the company into Altria and Philip Morris International. This information is taken from the Philip Morris Companies, Inc. stockholders booklet for 2001, dated March 9, 2001, page 5, when Geoffrey C. Bible was the Chairman and Chief Executive Officer. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Floxacin (talk • contribs) 13:06, 16 July 2011‎ (UTC)

Awards and Honours
] In 2011, Rupert Murdoch was honoured by the University of Oxford, her alma mater, as one of its 100 most distinguished members from 10 centuries. Other honourees included Duns Scotus, William of Ockham, Erasmus of Rotterdam, Saint Thomas More, John Locke, Christopher Wren, Adam Smith, Lawrence of Arabia, Oscar Wilde, J.R.R. Tolkien and living University members Bill Clinton, Stephen Hawking and Florian Henckel von Donnersmarck. For the cover of the 2011 Prospectus, Oxford University named 100 streets in Oxford historical centre after these graduates. Mill St. was renamed for Rupert Murdoch.
 * Please see User talk:Elvicendecun. -- Red rose64 (talk) 13:55, 7 March 2013 (UTC)

Isn't he English aswell?
Doesn't have have English nationality? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.28.63.41 (talk) 00:27, 9 March 2013 (UTC)


 * Not at all. Where did you get that idea from?  He was born an Australian, and is now an American.  That's enough.  He may have owned The Times, but that in itself doesn't make one English.  --   Jack of Oz   [Talk]  03:05, 9 March 2013 (UTC)

Edit request on 17 March 2013
Can we please put a link from vanity publication (under marriages) to vanity publisher? I had to search it manually. René (talk) 21:41, 17 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Done Minor edit only. &mdash; KuyaBriBri Talk 17:52, 18 March 2013 (UTC)

Tabloid invention challenged
It would not be right to say that Murdoch invented the tabloid format, i.e. scandal and catchy headlines. In my former hometown West-Berlin two tabloid newspapers existed ever since I can remember.

BILD Zeitung was published by Axel Springer after the end of the war in 1945; and Ullstein's B.Z. (Berliner Zeitung) was exactly the same. In fact, BILD was already a red top. Ullstein and their B.Z. existed before the war, although the publishing house's name was aryanized between 1937 and 1945. BILD was often criticized to be a political participant because they seemed to come out on supporting the conservatives all the time (just like with Murdoch). 144.136.192.55 (talk) 00:45, 7 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Add. The BILD Zeitung was first published in 1952. The German wikipedia says (Das Vorbild des Herausgebers Axel Springer für Stil und Inhalt war die auflagenstarke Boulevardpresse in Großbritannien, die er während der britischen Besatzungszeit in Hamburg näher kennengelernt hatte.) The model for publisher Axel Springer for style and content came from the large print run boulevard press in Great Britain which he became aquainted with during the British occupational phase in Hamburg. With Murdoch moving to Adelaide in 1952 to start his publishing career after he spent some time in Britain, Springer and Murdoch were inspired by the same British business model of newspapers, with Springer first publishing in 1952 and the preparation probably being one year, Murdoch could not have invented the tabloid. 144.136.192.55 (talk) 00:59, 7 April 2013 (UTC)

Monster
This monster killed Firefly — Preceding unsigned comment added by 186.95.167.146 (talk) 20:11, 6 August 2013 (UTC)

Gina Rinehart
Perhaps a piece detailing Gina Rinehart's influence, if any, on the board of Fairfax Media? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.234.214.63 (talk) 17:11, 19 September 2013 (UTC)

Murdock tweets: "... perhaps in Northern Pakistan, like Bin Laden."
Headine-1: Rupert Murdoch tweets his theory on Malaysian plane disappearance QUOTE: "Maybe no crash but stolen, effectively hidden, perhaps in Northern Pakistan, like Bin Laden." [I don't like to quote from Yahoo articles, but this covers Murdock moving into Tweets for politics very well. Of course, Murdoch is right, three times on the subject, in his Tweets .!.] — Preceding unsigned comment added by Charles Edwin Shipp (talk • contribs) 16:33, 16 March 2014 (UTC)
 * http://news.yahoo.com/rupert-murdoch-malaysian-plane-tweet-152052211.html

Trivia: Travel
We know that he was traveling without baggages, for sake of economy. He was then wearing all his clothes (one over the other). Sources please.-- — Preceding unsigned comment added by Connection (talk • contribs) 09:21, 6 July 2014 (UTC)

Murdoch´s activities in anti-piracy movement
Since certain smartass known as AndyTheGrump keeps reverting article, I bring on the table discusion of his stake at anti-piracy campaign. I haven´t made opinion, I only stated facts.And from AndyTheGrump reaction he haven´t read the sources. I know that Torrentfreak is regular source for many articles on wikipedia and as for SOPA an article can be found on BBC pages about his attack on google during that campaign. So if anyone can write this more smoothly, please come forward. Robin WH (talk) 23:34, 8 November 2014 (UTC)


 * It should be noted that the clueless <- redacted ATG -> above is attempting to cite Torrentfreak for something it doesn't even say - the piece cited says nothing whatsoever about Rupert Murdoch, News Corp, or the 'internet community' (whatever that is supposed to mean). We don't cite sources for things we'd like them to have said but didn't... AndyTheGrump (talk) 23:44, 8 November 2014 (UTC)

obama
How to create a social state by Saul Alinsky:

There are eight levels of control that must be obtained before you are able to create a social state. The first is the most important.

1) Healthcare– Control healthcare and you control the people

2) Poverty – Increase the Poverty level as high as possible, poor people are easier to control and will not fight back if you are               providing everything for them to live.

3) Debt – Increase the debt to an unsustainable level. That way you are able to increase taxes, and this will produce more poverty.

4) Gun Control– Remove the ability to defend themselves from the Government. That way you are able to create a police state.

5) Welfare – Take control of every aspect of their lives (Food, Housing, and Income)

6) Education – Take control of what people read and listen to – take control of what children learn in school.

7) Religion – Remove the belief in the God from the Government and schools

8) Class Warfare – Divide the people into the wealthy and the poor. This will cause more discontent and it will be easier to take (Tax) the wealthy with the support of the poor.

Does any of this sound like what is happening to the United States ?

Alinsky merely simplified Vladimir Lenin's original scheme for world conquest by communism, under Russian rule. Stalin described his converts as "Useful Idiots." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.121.217.207 (talk) 20:28, 23 February 2015 (UTC)

Rupert Murdoch
I would like to know, after breaking ties with England, better known as the revolutionary war, why England never left the United States. There are no questions England did not want to lose the wealth that was seen in the United States. Why did England run to the other side of the country and establish England's presence in the United States? This includes Rupert Murdoch, especially Rupert Murdoch. Why is there a county in Florida called Melbourne? Melbourne is located in Australia. I think that England has purposely tried to destroy America because we threw her out. So, how many times do we have to get rid of England and her stranglehold on the United states. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.115.13.114 (talk) 20:24, 15 July 2015 (UTC)

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National Geographic
Why is there no mention in the article of Murdoch's recent take over of National Geographic? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.162.133.112 (talk) 11:29, 7 November 2015 (UTC)
 * He has also been praised by the previous CEO . It does appear that he laid off 9% of the staff, although if we can find a more credible source to cite than ifyouonlynews.com, I think that would be fine to add in a neutral manner. -TheCaliforniaKansan (talk) 18:41, 7 November 2015 (UTC)

Ok, but apart from the source that I cited (I know a lot of people who say Wikipedia has no credibility) this still doesn't answer my question as to why his take over of National Geographic (which as at least something that really happened) was not even mentioned on the Rupert Murdoch page. People do expect the Wiki-pages to get regular updates I would think? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.162.133.112 (talk) 09:07, 14 November 2015 (UTC)

Citizenship
Why the citizenship links to Iraqi nationality law?-- সাজিদ  রেজা   করিম  09:35, 7 February 2016 (UTC)

Citation 133 no longer exists, other citations in reference to Prudence MacLeod (Murdoch) only mention her name without providing much information on any of the subjects, I am new to editing on Wikipedia but is this allowed as a "reliable source"? I'm trying to gather information on those in the Murdoch family that have been talked about less, if anyone could send any help/suggestions my way that would be great. Thanks in advance. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sariah.sugarman (talk • contribs) 16:45, 26 February 2016 (UTC)

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The London Times may have added a great deal to Murdoch's prestige, but in fact it wasn't the first British broadsheet he bought (and now of course, it's a bit short of being any kind of broadsheet). The Sun, when Murdoch bought it, was a broadsheet. Murdoch transformed it into a tabloid. That was his first step as a UK press baron. Any sober newspaperman will confirm that81.158.101.97 (talk) 18:17, 25 March 2016 (UTC)

Archive.is link in the article
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Lede seems to contradict body and in any event is confusing
This is a sentence from the lede: "After his father's death in 1952 Keith Rupert Murdoch declined to join his late father's registered public company and created his own private company, News Limited." This from the body: "Following his father's death, when he was 21, Murdoch returned from Oxford to take charge of the family business News Limited, which had been established in 1923." Aren't these contradictory? The next sentence in the lede says: "Murdoch then had full control as Chairman and CEO of Global Media Holding Company News Corporation, the world's second-largest media conglomerate, and its successors, News Corp and 21st Century Fox, after the conglomerate split on 28 June 2013." The "then" seems to make the sentence say that when he formed News Corp." he became CEO of Global Media HC, which at the time was the 2nd largest media conglomerate in the world. That isn't true is it? Maybe I am misreading it. If so, I'd suggest re-writing it. I'd do it myself if I know what was intended to be said. AnthroMimus (talk) 12:27, 6 May 2016 (UTC)

Why the Removal of All Reference to Shawcross's 'Murdoch'?
Why are all reference to William Shawcross's book Murdoch absent or removed? The oft-quoted Keith Murdoch letter to Northcliffe regarding the Melbourne Herald is revealing of both tabloid method and of international press links. Although I had stored the quote, when I searched online it appeared to have all but vanished from the web, rather conveniently, smacking of net censorship; the only remaining online incarnation appears to derive from a previous version of this page. 31.55.27.43 (talk) 19:42, 13 August 2016 (UTC)
 * When did you do that?-- Laun  chba  ller  20:18, 13 August 2016 (UTC)

Better detail on early life 22/09/2013
Richard H. Curtiss, editor of the Washington Report on Middle East Affairs.

Murdoch was born Keith Rupert Murdoch on March 11, 1931 in Melbourne, Australia to Sir (the title being purchased) Keith Murdoch (1885–1952) and Elisabeth Joy Greene (1909–2012), daughter of Rupert Greene. Rupert Murdoch is of Jewish and English, Irish, and Scottish ancestry. His parents were also born in Melbourne. Keith Murdoch was a renowned war correspondent and later a regional newspaper magnate owning two newspapers in Adelaide, South Australia, and a radio station in a faraway mining town. . Later in life, Keith Rupert chose to use Rupert, the first name of his Jewish maternal grandfather. .


 * Why is the information on his maternal ancestry not part of the article? Ontologix (talk) 10:26, 12 February 2017 (UTC)

Include reference to Wilson and Akre lawsuit
Under the "Activities in the United States" section, reference should be made to the Wilson and Akre lawsuit. With this event, FOX asserted its right to report false news. Encyclopediaofdata (talk) 19:06, 13 February 2017 (UTC)

Controversies
I'm very surprised this page doesn't have a 'criticism' section - as it does for many other public figures - even Ghandi has one - this page seems very sanitised. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jacknunn (talk • contribs) 04:15, 20 March 2017 (UTC)

Considering most of Murdoch's businesses are not public companies, individuals in them can more easily sue for defamation. The phone tapping controversy is by far the most serious. Should this have happened in the US, News could easily have been classified as a proscribed criminal organization and dissolved.202.125.31.66 (talk) 00:54, 7 May 2017 (UTC)

Citizenship.
In 1988 Australia did not permit dual citizenship for its own nationals. Foreigners claiming Aus citizenship did not have to relinquish prior citizenships, but it was not the same case for Australians trying to migrate elsewhere. Murdoch was required to relinquish his Aus passport. US laws permit business migration, essentially buying a s US passport for $300k. Murdoch would now be entitled to re-apply for Aus citizenship.202.125.31.66 (talk) 01:00, 7 May 2017 (UTC)

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Please link to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anna_Murdoch_Mann from the personal life section
✅ That linking was already done. This is complete. CryMeAnOcean (talk) 20:21, 26 August 2018 (UTC)

Wapping Dispute and battling with the Teamsters in Hollywood
Major topic missed. Ongoing battles with trade unions and deletion of restrictive practises by the Unions. Barely (or not ) mentioned. --BeckenhamBear (talk) 19:04, 19 January 2018 (UTC) CryMeAnOcean (talk) 20:21, 26 August 2018 (UTC)

Conflicting details
The lede contains the following...
 * "After his father's death in 1952, Murdoch declined to join his late father's registered public company and created his own private company, News Limited."

...but under the 'Activities in Australia and New Zealand' Section is this:
 * "Following his father's death, when he was 21, Murdoch returned from Oxford to take charge of the family business News Limited, which had been established in 1923."

Clearly that is contradictory so something is wrong. I don't know much about this - which is why I'm reading about it on Wikipedia! - so can someone who does know the details fix this problem please? FillsHerTease (talk) 12:33, 5 October 2018 (UTC)


 * News Corp Australia, a redirect from News Limited, tells us....
 * "News Limited was established in 1923 by James Edward Davidson, when he purchased the Broken Hill Barrier Miner and the Port Pirie Recorder. He went on to purchase Adelaide's weekly Mail and to found The News, a daily newspaper in Adelaide, South Australia. Sir Keith Murdoch acquired a minority interest in the company in 1949. Following the death of his father, Sir Keith, in 1952, Rupert Murdoch inherited The News, which has been described by Murdoch biographer Bruce Page as the "foundation stone" of News Limited (and News Corporation)."
 * That's not 100% clear to me either. Keith only had a minority interest in the company, so how could Rupert inherit one paper from the stable? Experts needed here. HiLo48 (talk) 23:07, 5 October 2018 (UTC)


 * There has been a lot of vandalism to this article. I fully recommend that this article gets protected indef! 212.50.184.130 (talk) 16:25, 17 January 2019 (UTC)

Is Murdoch not Jewish, having a Jewish mother?
On Murdoch's personal life, I fail to see any reference to Jewishness, yet his mother Greene, is reportedly Jewish. Should this be added to the article? (PeacePeace (talk) 00:15, 20 March 2019 (UTC))
 * There is no mention in his mother's article of her being Jewish. HiLo48 (talk) 00:23, 20 March 2019 (UTC)
 * What's your source? -- Jibal (talk) 03:24, 24 August 2019 (UTC)

Changes to the opening sentence
I subscribe to the position that it should remain concise, mentioning only News Corp and that the addition of and is a Chairman of Fox Corporation should be removed. What do everyone else think? El_C 06:05, 12 October 2019 (UTC)

As a counter, and the individual who made the change, News Corp is not a name people inherently know and adding the involvement of influence on Fox Corporation is important. If anything the founding of News Corp seems moot and not relevant to modern events. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.31.173.41 (talk) 06:24, 12 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Murdoch is best known for founding News Corp which formed the hub of his business empire. His role as a chairman of Fox Corporation is more peripheral and does not need to be in the opening sentence. The WP:LEAD, and particularly the opening sentence, should be a summary of what a person really needs to know. The Fox chairmanship can be mentioned later on without a problem. The WP:LEAD already mentions his role at Fox prominently, so it isn't being hidden in any way.-- ♦Ian Ma c M♦  (talk to me) 06:28, 12 October 2019 (UTC)

Based on the recent events with recent spikes of views to the page, I'm pretty sure people currently know of him for Fox Corporation, which his company he founded owns and he's a Chairman of. The News Corp founding seems like lesser info. If he was deceased then I could see it as relevant to what he did, but as a living member their current places of influence appear more pertinent. 174.31.173.41 (talk) 06:41, 12 October 2019 (UTC)


 * Wikipedia articles are not driven by news spikes because this leads to WP:RECENTISM. His role at Fox is already well documented in the WP:LEAD and doesn't need to be in the opening sentence.-- ♦Ian Ma c M♦  (talk to me) 06:52, 12 October 2019 (UTC)

And what I'm getting at is he's not a historical person. His founding of News Corp makes more sense to be left in the lead and speaking of what he currently does is more relevant. Why not actually have what his current roll in society is in the intro. 174.31.173.41 (talk) 06:57, 12 October 2019 (UTC)


 * It isn't a great secret that Rupert Murdoch founded Fox Corporation and it is still owned and run by his family. During the period 1980–2013 Fox was owned by News Corp.-- ♦Ian Ma c M♦  (talk to me) 07:15, 12 October 2019 (UTC)

It may not be a secret, but it is the most relevant modern info about him. His founding of a company that few know of anymore is a moot point. 174.31.173.41 (talk) 07:24, 12 October 2019 (UTC) Placing his involvement with Fox and publications from News Corp that are identifiable makes more sense. Why only put something not many would know? 174.31.173.41 (talk) 07:29, 12 October 2019 (UTC)


 * The WP:LEAD is a summary of his overall career. Murdoch used News Corp to build one of the largest media empires the world has ever seen, and it wasn't just about Fox. There is a risk of overemphasizing Fox as Murdoch has owned newspapers and television stations in many countries, including my own, which is Britain.-- ♦Ian Ma c M♦  (talk to me) 07:32, 12 October 2019 (UTC)

I'm aware that he runs some papers in London. But his Fox brand it more widespread and prominent. The fact that he is a media mogul pretty well covers that he probably has hands in media in more than a single country. The Fox brand permeates where News Corp is hidden behind various names of different publications. I may be incorrect and that News Corp logo is super prominent on the front page of those publications, but from what I can tell, Fox is where he has made a solid branding. 174.31.173.41 (talk) 07:43, 12 October 2019 (UTC)


 * The best option here would be to open a request for comment because some external input is needed on this.-- ♦Ian Ma c M♦  (talk to me) 09:22, 12 October 2019 (UTC)

That may be the best step, though realizing Fox Corporation founded by Murdoch, and News Corp are currently different companies so I don't know how the inclusion is of any real issue. 174.31.173.41 (talk) 09:33, 12 October 2019 (UTC)

I would like to also note that though the page has a picture of him meeting Regan in 1983, there is nothing of this meeting present. I don't fully know the context and seeing as the repeal of the Fairness Doctrine following not long afterwards, which greatly benefited his publications and future broadcast media it seems like it would be covered, especially since the picture is include. This is obviously a different subject, but I dunno how to make a new subject. 174.31.173.41 (talk) 10:02, 12 October 2019 (UTC)

I wanted to add that perhaps this page should be protected using a silver lock, since Murdoch is an importent and well known figure. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Badsaad10 (talk • contribs) 22:00, 28 October 2019 (UTC)

Line in bio "In 2018, his son, Lachlan Murdoch, purchased the Chartwell Estate in Los Angeles for an estimated 150 million dollars"
Is this really a relevant line considering Lachlan Murdoch has his own Wikipedia page? Doesn't really make sense, as a purchase from someone that the article is not about. Understanding that Lachlan is Rupert's son, still doesn't seem like something hugely applicable to Rupert's opening statement. — Preceding unsigned comment added by J sanderson nz (talk • contribs) 09:10, 17 July 2020 (UTC)

New series on the Murdoch family
BBC's Rise of the Murdoch Dynasty may be of interest. -- Evertype·✆ 17:36, 6 August 2020 (UTC)

Review for unreferenced content and inappropriate tone urgently needed
I am not writing this as a supporter of Murdoch, but the page has been vulnerable to content that is entered without supporting citations. The content has been written from an opposing viewpoint at times. I have deleted and/or replaced some entries, but have not been able to review the entire page yet.-- — Preceding unsigned comment added by Soulparadox (talk • contribs) 05:04, 28 July 2014 ‎

Where is the source for the following phrase in "Early Life"?: "where he kept a bust of Lenin in his rooms and came to be known as "Red Rupert"" Bwian Wose (talk) 16:39, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

Peshawar
Msy be Murdoch refer to the peshawar hideout of osama bin laden in north pakistan Feltribamba (talk) 06:46, 22 March 2021 (UTC)

What exactly is his nationality?
I am a bit concerned because, in the introduction of his Wikipedia page, it says that he was an Australian-born American. In my opinion, this needs to be more specified. When did the America come in? I think that it should be, originally from Australia, he migrated to the US or something like that. It needs more clarification. The words together do not mesh well, but that could just be me. Let me know your feedback? -with noted and duly concern: jenjenedits3000
 * He's an Aussie who acquired US citizenship. -- Valjean (talk) 21:13, 19 September 2021 (UTC)
 * To be precise: a naturalised US citizen born in Australia, who renounced Australian citizenship in 1985. Regards,--Goldsztajn (talk) 01:28, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 26 October 2021
Murdoch only has one degree from Oxford - a Master of Arts (MA). At Oxford, a Bachelor of Arts is promoted "by seniority" to a Master of Arts six years after matriculation. Remove the degree in parentheses, i.e. "BA", from Murdoch's education in the infobox. 2607:FEA8:81F:FB70:38FE:4AC2:FE4E:F8E1 (talk) 18:58, 26 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Goldsztajn (talk) 01:23, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

Seems odd, given the controversy, that there is not much discussion of how much or little he directs activities at Fox News and subsequent involvement with the Trump Administration. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.181.193.59 (talk) 09:06, 24 December 2021 (UTC)

I don’t wanna be American ever. “Rupert’
https://amp.theguardian.com/media/2003/aug/24/rupertmurdoch.business 49.178.190.3 (talk) 14:30, 7 January 2022 (UTC)

Rupert Murdoch.. I & my kids are Australian citizens
https://amp.theguardian.com/media/2003/aug/24/rupertmurdoch.business 49.178.122.149 (talk) 10:06, 25 January 2022 (UTC)

Murdoch regained his Australian citizenship
Rupert Murdoch lost his Australian citizenship in the past because Australia did not have dual nationality laws.

But 20 years after Rupert Murdoch lost his Australian citizenship, the Australian government changed the citizenship laws/act & all Australian expatriates like Rupert Murdoch regains their Australian citizenship.

For example. Why do you people maintain your outdated understanding on the Australian citizenship act. Australia has dual nationality. Millions of Australian citizens are dual nationals.

Why is Wikipedia so inconsistent with its facts. You children repeat the same lies again and again. Murdoch lost his Australian citizenship !

Yes.. then he reacquired it again.

Fact is Murdoch has spent his life buildings a fortune & why would he wish to lose it all when he dies because the USA has a death tax/ inheritance tax?

Australia has zero death taxes, meaning the Murdoch’s keep every cent when Rupert dies.

Also Rupert’s entire family are buried in Australia … his parents & his siblings even his childhood pets.

The other falsehood is the old the USA does not allow dual citizenship…

Yet it does….Murdoch ever see asmuch, that he’s a U.S an Australian dual national in an interview with David spears on sky.

Also other Australians are dual u.S an Australian dual nationals.

Nicole Kidman…. Keith urban, Julian McMahon… so for’ so on’ ect ect.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julian_McMahon

Julian McMahon is an classic example 49.178.108.26 (talk) 14:05, 28 March 2022 (UTC)


 * The fact - assuming it is a fact - that he became eligible to reclaim his Australian citizenship does not mean that he actually went through that bureaucratic process. Unless we have a citation to that effect from a reliable source. --  Jack of Oz   [pleasantries]  00:11, 29 March 2022 (UTC)

Bodley Medal
RM was awarded the Bodely medal in 2002 by the Bodleian Library. This should be added to "awards". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 159.196.168.28 (talk) 04:50, 13 April 2022 (UTC)

Oligarchy?
The Wikipedia definition of business oligarch is "a business magnate who controls sufficient resources to influence national politics." The article then goes on to list a number of criteria, all of which would appear to be met by Rupert Murdoch, however an edit to reflect this was swiftly reverted. So, is he or isn't he? His own media outlets tend to prefix "oligarch" with "Russian", but surely he's a prime example of an Australian oligarch? Mspritch (talk) 01:06, 4 March 2022 (UTC)
 * It sounds like you're engaging in original research. – Muboshgu (talk) 01:07, 4 March 2022 (UTC)
 * If that's what's considered original research then half of Wikipedia should be up for deletion. There is plenty of citable evidence backing up the assertion. Mspritch (talk) 13:10, 6 March 2022 (UTC)

While I agree Rupert Murdoch fits the definition of an oligarch in most senses, he is the only "American oligarch" identified on Wikipedia - the Koch brothers, Sheldon Adelson, Donald Trump, Michael Bloomberg are not identified to name a few plausible examples. So it does seem like a point of view issue - barring any wider definition of oligarch. Is Rupert Murdoch a sui generis figure? 2603:8080:7D05:7200:F0CF:6332:5687:25B4 (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 02:33, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

But it says 'oligarch' not 'business oligarch'. I agree with the latter, but certainly not the former. I did a quick check on all the other monopolists like Bill Gates, Zuckerberg, Bezos and they don't have this slur in their page. Be consistent and don't let your personal opinions shine through. 95.96.130.127 (talk) 23:25, 12 April 2022 (UTC)


 * How is it a slur? Sounds like someone is letting their own personal opinions shine through. These people are all oligarchs and their pages should be edited to reflect as such. TheNeutroniumAlchemist (talk) 04:13, 17 April 2022 (UTC)
 * An oligarchy is a form of government. This man is not part of a government. 95.96.130.127 (talk) 00:20, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
 * He holds undue influence along with a handful of other people due to his massive wealth, that's literally the dictionary definition of an oligarchy.
 * That also doesn't explain why you called it a slur. TheNeutroniumAlchemist (talk) 10:44, 21 April 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 23 June 2022
Add divorce year with Jerry Hall (2022). https://www.theguardian.com/media/2022/jun/22/rupert-murdoch-jerry-hall-divorce-report

Change this:

*Jerry Hall (m. 2016)

to this:

*Jerry Hall (m. 2016-2022)

Possibly removing the br tag, I am not sure

Aidenrk (talk) 04:16, 23 June 2022 (UTC)


 * Not done, at least for now. The sourcing says that they are "set to divorce" rather than actually divorced. The media coverage is based on off the record comments rather than an announcement from the couple themselves. Needs firmer sourcing.-- ♦Ian Ma c M♦  (talk to me) 07:08, 23 June 2022 (UTC)

Divorce from Jerry Hall
Murdoch and Jerry Hall have now legally divorced. Jack M E 01 (talk) 13:22, 11 August 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 14 August 2022
Merge Sky Television plc to Sky Television (1984–1990) 86.191.233.73 (talk) 17:53, 14 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. — Sirdog (talk) 22:46, 14 August 2022 (UTC)

"World Music Video Awards" listed at Redirects for discussion
An editor has identified a potential problem with the redirect World Music Video Awards and has thus listed it for discussion. This discussion will occur at Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 August 23 until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. MB 22:50, 23 August 2022 (UTC)

The UK is in Europe
Why is Europe in its own section when the U.K. is part of Europe ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.168.97.78 (talk) 23:20, 11 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Because that's how the Wikipedia community wants it, Wikipedia have guidelines, policies and so on. most are here: Manual of Style -  FlightTime  ( open channel ) 00:09, 12 October 2022 (UTC)

Language used RE: media bias
I reverted this edit by. It has since been re-reverted so I thought I'd take it to the talk page. The question is, what wording is better suited to Wikipedia?

"Many of Murdoch's papers and television channels have been accused of biased and misleading coverage to support his business interests"

or

"Many of Murdoch's papers and television channels have demonstrated bias and misleading coverage to support his business interests"

I am of the opinion that the latter wording does not adhere to the WP:NPOV policy. - GA Melbourne (talk) 14:00, 6 January 2023 (UTC)


 * I kinda disagree - I'm not here to push a POV, just stating there's factual evidence demonstrating bias GeneralHamster (talk) 15:12, 6 January 2023 (UTC)


 * I understand that but I feel that prior to your edits the tone of the sentence was more WP:IMPARTIAL - GA Melbourne (talk) 22:58, 6 January 2023 (UTC)


 * Also the link you provided doesn't mention bias. - GA Melbourne (talk) 22:59, 6 January 2023 (UTC)


 * I mean it does - it even showcases how the Sun was forced to apologise for making fairly charged / false statements and how it did this in a manner which essentially obfuscated the message from public view. GeneralHamster (talk) 09:38, 12 January 2023 (UTC)
 * I understand that, however, I still feel as though by saying that, it is coming to a conclusion that isn't specifically stated in the article. Perhaps I shall enlist help from the good people over at WP:3O. - GA Melbourne (talk) 12:35, 12 January 2023 (UTC)

3O Response: The word demonstrate[d] may be too strong for Wikipedia's voice. The problem is that its definitions include "be an indication of" and "show beyond doubt". The latter seems problematic for a BLP. For the lead of the article, I feel that it's best to keep it simple and go with the first quoted version from the original poster of this thread. If interested, the reader can go down and see how strong the accusations are, and gauge that on their own sense of reasonable doubt. This is a non-binding third opinion, but I hope it helps! – Reidgreg (talk) 14:13, 12 January 2023 (UTC)

A few days have elapsed, with no further discussion. I will revert the edit, please do not re-revert the edit without discussion. - GA Melbourne (talk) 00:14, 15 January 2023 (UTC)

Half your age plus 7.
Not sure we need to point out the ages at marriage unless there is a huge difference and its widely covered and made a big deal of by RS. Thoughts? Malerooster (talk) 17:41, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 25 March 2023
in "portrayal in television, film, books, and music" there is no reference to the song "dear mr murdoch" by roger taylor Charlesleewiki (talk) 17:53, 25 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. M.Bitton (talk) 00:17, 26 March 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 18 April 2023
Change propeitor to proprietor in the first paragraph. Alejandro Lorenzo Nieto (talk) 08:37, 18 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Done. Thanks for letting us know. HiLo48 (talk) 09:53, 18 April 2023 (UTC)