Talk:Ruqayya bint Muhammad

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Yes, I support a move to Ruqayyah bint Muhammad and a total cleanup and revision. Maybe I'll have time to do it ... some day. Zora 22:19, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

Isnt the name pov? Im not sure it is, just asking. --Striver 02:55, 15 March 2006 (UTC)
 * According to the geneology article, the name is acceptable. K e rowyn Leave a note 21:36, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

Uncertain
''The following was at the very bottom of the article, blow the categories. Sounds like it is a statement that belongs on talk so I moved it here. (and then went back and checked history for who wrote it)'' RJFJR 20:24, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

Shia's don't believe Ruqayyah was the Muhammad's step daughter they believe she was his daughter. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gwenlloyd (talk • contribs)

Things to do
We have when she died listed. Do we know when she was born?
 * No, we don't: not to the point where we can be dogmatic.
 * However, it is generally accepted that (a) Khadija bore her children at two-year intervals, and (b) Ruqayyah was the fourth child. This suggests 601 as the approximate year of birth.Petra MacDonald 11:55, 24 May 2014 (UTC)

Ahlul bait
What exactly do these last two sentences have to do with genealogy ?! I want to delete them as they are unrelated, but I would like to hear justification, if any. I have changed the heading to "Minority view" to be inclusive, so that this sentence can stay, but if the section is improved by calling it "Genealogy" then I have no objections, but the Ahlul-bait part has nothing to do with genealogy. Unflavoured (talk) 03:06, 28 February 2012 (UTC)

Utayba and Ruqayya/Umm Kalthum
Utayba/Utaba was married to Ruqayya or Umm Kulthum? The articles on both daughters relate a story which involved Abu Lahab that is exactly the same regarding Utayba/Utaba. Zobeese (talk) 07:57, 25 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Ibn Ishaq expressed similar confusion. The consensus of later historians (Ibn Saad, Tabari, etc.) is that Abu Lahab had two sons, Utba and Utayba, who were married to Ruqayyah and Umm Kulthum respectively in a double transaction. A few years later, they were divorced in a similar double transaction. It makes sense that Abu Lahab would have wanted to be rid of both daughters-in-law simultaneously. It is said that Utayba suffered a nasty death but that Utba lived to repent. However, I can't find these stories in the references that I have to hand.Petra MacDonald (talk) 23:00, 31 January 2016 (UTC)

Her children - and grandchildren??
According to the fairly well respected website Geni.com, Ruqayyah had lines of descendants extending to the present day. See, for example, that website's claim that Muhammad is my "42nd great grandfather". The line gives Ruqayyah a daughter, 'Aisha binte ʻUthmān, then reaches Zaragoza after four more generations, stays in what is now Spain for over a dozen more, then moves to England with the mother of Edward II.

Is it nevertheless true to say, as the article virtually says, that Ruqayyah had no grandchildren or later descendants?

Robin Patterson (talk) 04:01, 29 January 2016 (UTC)


 * The early sources definitely say that Ruqayyah had no children except Abdullah and the miscarriage, i.e., no grandchildren at all. In fact, it is generally accepted that all of Muhammad's present-day descendants are through Fatima.
 * Aisha bint Uthman was the daughter of one of Uthman's subsequent wives, Ramla bint Shayba (see Ibn Saad/Bewley vol. 3 p. 39).Petra MacDonald (talk) 23:07, 31 January 2016 (UTC)