Talk:Ruscism

Dangerous word...
In my humble opinion, words are important, terminology creates logical and emotional associations in human brains. So, this word is dangerous, because it uses the word "Russian", which means simply every man that was born by the Russian women and speaks Russian language. Why do we blame every Russian, even if they do not support invasion in Ukraine? We must call it " Russian militarism" or maybe "ideology of Russian supporters of invasion". Why use the word that offence russians who not support invasion, or maybe even supports Ukraine? I think this word leads to russofobia and national conflicts, not to clear understanding of the situation. May the peace be on Earth. Stop war! 79.172.89.185 (talk) 18:00, 12 May 2022 (UTC)


 * Nearly all the sources used are Ukrainian sources. This is fully propaganda. Once the war dies down. We can delete some of this nonsense. Ahm1453 (talk) 20:14, 28 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Ukraine has faced Ruscism in the closest way. Once the war is down this article will be updated with a references to thousands of russian criminals sentenced in UN court and to studies about this state-backed neonazi ideology that was spread by means of genocide. The main reason it can't be formalized is that Ruscism is not defeated yet. 2A02:2378:11BD:E0B4:2006:71BB:9E8A:D1BC (talk) 22:38, 6 August 2023 (UTC)
 * The word was first coined by Chechen independence leader Dzhokhar Dudayev and was used even before Russian invasion of Ukraine. 78.58.3.21 (talk) 12:48, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
 * In my opinion, the only dangerous word here is "russophobia". It shifts the conversation from Russia committing crimes now, it's historical responsibility for numbers of crimes throughout Eastern Europe in XX century and its colonial policy years prior. In its effects it's similar to "All lives matter" which is an anti-thesis to "Black lives matter". 94.254.144.201 (talk) 15:16, 21 July 2023 (UTC)
 * it’s a shame this page exists RudolFreedom (talk) 06:08, 28 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Nice to see how Wikipedia has turned into a source of western racism. Yet again... 2A02:3030:615:ECBA:CF9B:3D97:908:EC73 (talk) 07:37, 28 July 2023 (UTC)
 * WP:IDONTLIKEIT, you politically opposing a concept does not mean it doesn't exist. Ashleighhhhh (talk) 17:12, 11 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Rashism is combination of two words "Russia" + "Fascism". It's just a shorthand and doesn't imply any ethnic bias. 78.58.3.21 (talk) 12:46, 12 March 2024 (UTC)

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 * @79.172.89.185 you're right 46.72.204.73 (talk) 18:44, 18 May 2022 (UTC)

Absolutely correct, it’s a shame this page exists. JtLea7 (talk) 07:00, 19 May 2022 (UTC)
 * I think this is completely wrong interpretation. If applied to people (i.e. to "rashists") the term is not about all ethnic Russians or Russian-speakers (many thousands of ethnic Russians are killed by rashists in Mariupol), but to citizens of Russia who support or participate in Russian military aggression, colonialism, or state-promoted totalitarianism (they are not necessarily ethnic Russians, some of them are Buryats, whoever). The term does apply to the entire Russian armed forces during wars in Chechnya, Georgia, Syria and Ukraine. My very best wishes (talk) 02:36, 21 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Moreover, it is normal to use country name to refer to the regime, even if it's fascist. E.g. Italian fascism, Austrofascism. --Cannibal Rat (talk) 11:15, 4 August 2022 (UTC)


 * It is a shame that state-backed Neonazi ideology of Ruscism exists. 176.113.167.189 (talk) 06:42, 10 August 2023 (UTC)

So this Russian fascism, I wonder if there are some examples of Russian officials claiming Russian superiority over other ethnicities/races? If I missed the announcement, and Wikipedia has been converted to hate bible or something, fine with me. Just like to know when changes like that occur. Anyone has ideas what slur we should use for American, British, and Canadian Nazism defined governments? After all, those states all oppress their minorities, don't value lives of non-whites, disregard international agreements, USA illegaly occupies land all over the globe and assassinates people 24/7. If a Snyder that built his "fame" on making excuses for real Nazi collaborators in Poland and Ukraine, and calling the people that defeated Hitler fascists can do it, are we supposed to agree to also become immoral scum like him? I swear, the dishonorable assholes are aparently in charge of society now, and everyone else forgot how to read a document or use their brain. AzzAzeL-US (talk) 05:45, 18 September 2022 (UTC)
 * if there are some examples of Russian officials claiming Russian superiority...? Yes, of course. Some of them are described on pages What Russia Should Do with Ukraine, Address concerning the events in Ukraine, On the Historical Unity of Russians and Ukrainians ("unity" means that Ukrainians have no right to exist because they are Russians and all their land is Russia - just to simplify), On conducting a special military operation, etc. My very best wishes (talk) 01:50, 12 January 2023 (UTC)
 * It's also worth noting the hate speech, e.g. . -- Mindaur (talk) 11:37, 12 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Oh yes. There is so much of that, and not only about Ukrainians, but also about Russians who recently left the country, the enemy West, etc. I am not reading it to remain sane. My very best wishes (talk) 13:41, 12 January 2023 (UTC)
 * All this hate speech and other warmongering by Russian officials (e.g. today ) serve an important purpose: to paralyze Western leaders with fear. In essence, they are telling "We will kill you all", and these are not just empty words, given the increased attacks on Ukrainian civilians. That fear mongering is the only reason why Ukraine did not receive a lot more weapons long time ago, and still did not receive Western tanks, aviation and long-range missiles. My very best wishes (talk) 18:14, 22 January 2023 (UTC)
 * It's true, but there is another breakthrough in military aid happening right now. Anyway, WP:NOTFORUM in this talk. -- Mindaur (talk) 13:59, 24 January 2023 (UTC)
 * If you're going to search for a word-for-word similarities between German and ruzzian fascisms you may not find them or find only a few. That still doesn't mean that ruzzian regime and ideology are not fascist-like. And because it's not the classic fascism known from the 20th century but a ruzzian breed of it, it's received its own name. But several hallmarks common to both German and ruzzian fascism stand out: irredentism, revanchism, imperialism, colonialism, cult of the past along with repressions, curtailing of civic freedoms, one party rule. Calling a spade a spade has never been dangerous unless you're living in a tyranny which ruzzia is. LXNDR (talk) 10:36, 29 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Ein Volk = "Odin narod"
 * Untermensch = "nation that had been artificially created by Lenin"
 * Lebensraum im Osten = "Russian World" 2A02:2378:11BD:E0B4:2006:71BB:9E8A:D1BC (talk) 22:41, 6 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Nonsense, Ein volk is about racial purity and consolidation in isolation, Odin narod is a frequently used expression that refers more to the trinity, Belarusians, Velikorissian and Malorussian, and in general it is more about the proximity of nations. The nation artificially created by Lenin is an absurd propaganda theory, but it is far from the same as the Untermensch. The first is about arguments about the legitimacy of the invasion and that "We are one people", and the second is about hierarchy and the legitimacy of discrimination.
 * Lebensraum im Osten this is about expanding to expand and settle the nation, and the Russian world is just an irrendentism. 81.163.45.41 (talk) 00:37, 4 May 2024 (UTC)

Question Related to editing
I would like to ask a question.. I am Ukrainian and I understand very well what this ideology is since 2008, (From the news related to the Second russo-Chechen War that I heard at some point in 2008 (I don't remember exactly where but i remember hearing something related to this war) and the russo-Georgian war and witness this ideology partly by myself in 2014, when they stole Crimea and created alcoholic rashistical republics of the DPR and LPR) Is it okay if I somewhere later edit this page with more information without source? (I'm bad at editing so I'll do it later if I don't forget, also sorry for my bad spelling, I've had spelling problems since I was a kid. Also, I'm not good at giving correct information about anything so it takes me a while to understand how I will write it and in what way and much more) There is one more thing.. I live in the west of Ukraine, but i still know all the things the modern fascists doing here in the south and east of Ukraine. Also maybe i will be unable to read your replies for now since it's 23:42 for me when i'm finished writing this. Random Fan Camping (talk) 20:42, 6 September 2022 (UTC)


 * , sorry for the late reply. Unfortunately, Wikipedia does not allow inclusion of information which isn’t verified by sources. If you would like to add information it’s best to find sources (the source doesn’t have to be in English). - 🇺🇦 Слава🇺🇦Україні 🇺🇦 Героям🇺🇦Слава🇺🇦 (talk)🇺🇦 19:45, 26 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Alright Random Fan Camping (talk) 11:29, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Слава Нації! Смерть Ворогам! Random Fan Camping (talk) 11:30, 27 September 2022 (UTC)


 * Україна переможе! - 🇺🇦 Слава🇺🇦Україні 🇺🇦 Героям🇺🇦Слава🇺🇦 (talk)🇺🇦 15:55, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
 * I would advise you to keep your nationalist slogans as far away from this as possible. It is much more important to be unbiased and rational even if you truly believe in the glory of your one nation and wish death to all its enemies. Luroe (talk) 16:57, 1 January 2023 (UTC)
 * ok 74.76.47.242 (talk) 21:32, 1 February 2023 (UTC)
 * This term was coined by Ukrainian ultranationalists and Bandera lovers in their sick mind. How do you expect them to be unbiased and rational? Their slogan exactly wishes death to their enemies, which are as defined by Bandera by 1941: poles, jews and communists, and they did exactly this in Khatyn (Belarus) and in Volyn (Poland), both acts recognized as genocide. Enjoy the modern Wikipedia. 89.0.121.236 (talk) 22:07, 29 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Stepan Bandera had been arrested by Gestapo in 1941 and was thrown to Sachsenhausen concentration camp for his plans to proclaim independent Ukraine in nazi-occupied Lviv.
 * But the slogan "Slava Ukraine - Geroyam slava!" had evolved since those days. Ukrainians regret those massacres of poles, they have expressed official remorse and even built Orlat Cemetery for the Poles and their allies who died in Lwów during the hostilities of the Polish-Ukrainian War and Polish-Soviet War between 1918 and 1920. Jew has become an elected president of Ukraine. And communists are actually equal to nazists so not much of problem with hating them. Most important is that slogan is used to wish the death to Ruscist invaders today - not Poles, Jews or mythic communists. 176.113.167.189 (talk) 22:58, 6 August 2023 (UTC)
 * This did not stop his supporters from carrying out a massacre, and he was also an outspoken anti-Semite and collaborated with the Nazis before his arrest. 81.163.45.41 (talk) 00:39, 4 May 2024 (UTC)

Paywall
You should not have to pay for wiki sources: https://ukrainecentral.org/opinion-we-should-say-it-russia-is-fascist-the-new-york-times/ 2A01:598:B1AD:EF68:D98E:12EB:5E30:68A9 (talk) 13:31, 5 February 2023 (UTC)

Solzhenitsyn
I think this new section is rather problematic. While this writer did express a number of nationalistic, possibly even imperialistic and xenophobic views (not in his best books), just as many other writers in Russia, there are several issues: (a) there is zero evidence that he or his works influenced any current politics in Russia (this is a pure speculation at best), (b) he is mostly known for his books about Gulag, i.e. he is mostly known for his opposition to political oppression in Russia, (c) he never supported fascists or Nazi, being himself a military veteran of the war against Nazi, even though Soviet/KGB propaganda did make such claims to discredit him. My very best wishes (talk) 14:42, 26 February 2023 (UTC)
 * https://www.jstor.org/stable/41061849 - Aristophile (talk) 15:18, 26 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Yes, and that could be used on a page about him. But there were thousands and thousands public figures who supported Putin and his politics in some way. Consider those, for example, who are included to the list of international sanctions (S. is not one of them). Should all of them appear on this page? Some - yes, probably, like Dugin, but he did openly express some fascist views (and none of the a,b,c above would be applicable to him). Well, what exactly would you suggest? Just to restore or make another version? My very best wishes (talk) 15:46, 26 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Restore and improve, IMO. Solzhenitsyn's contribution to the current situation is pretty axiomatic, differing opinions notwithstandidng. --Aristophile (talk) 16:31, 26 February 2023 (UTC)
 * I disagree. Simply looking the best accessible ref (yours is under paywall), it says: "Solzhenitsyn criticizes the Soviet ambition to impose Russian domination over non-Russian nations, saying it "would destroy the Russian national essence." Further, Russia does not have enough strength to control an empire, he writes, and trying to do so will only "hasten our destruction.". He did advocate for the peaceful unification of Ukraine and Russia, but never advocated genocide of Ukrainians, as is happening during this war. His views maybe nationalist and anti-Western, but not fascist. My very best wishes (talk) 17:20, 26 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Read this - https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/02/vladimir-putin-guru-solzhenitsyn-115088/ --Aristophile (talk) 18:49, 26 February 2023 (UTC)
 * https://www.theguardian.com/world/2008/apr/03/russia.ukraine - that's pretty insensitive. --Aristophile (talk) 18:52, 26 February 2023 (UTC)
 * "Insensitive" - yes, sure. What do we have here?
 * The conclusion by Luke Harding (great author!): His [Solzhenitsyn's] later statements have demonstrated an increasingly nationalist anti-western tone, and he appears to be a fan of President Vladimir Putin, who gave him a literary award last summer. Yes, this is all true.
 * Another article: A passionate patriot as well as a champion of free speech, Solzhenitsyn left a rich, diverse, and controversial legacy. Putin chooses to follow only those ideas that fit his neo-imperialist and reactionary agenda, and naturally they don’t usually include the free-speech part. Yes, that's a reasonable opinion.
 * In December 2014, Putin quoted Solzhenitsyn as saying: "..." This should be dismissed as another lie by Putin, unless reliably sourced as actual words by S. When and where did S. say this?
 * In his 1990 essay, written on the eve of the fall of the Soviet Union, Solzhenitsyn suggested that Russia abandon its global agenda and focus, instead, on its internal problems. He called for the immediate separation of Russia from the Soviet Union - Is not it an anti-imperialist view by S? ”He accepted the potential future independence of Ukraine but added: “The area is very heterogenous indeed, and only the local population can determine the fate of a particular locality” This is something reasonable, but we know that Putin did not follow his advice: he did not conduct a fair referendum in Crimea or anywhere during this war.
 * It seems that S. (he died in 2008) has predicted that Russia/Putin will attack the West and this "may well bury Western civilization forever.” But he never advocated for nullifying human rights in Russia or anywhere (see above about free-speech) or for complete military occupation of Ukraine, unless I am mistaken. The ongoing war and genocide would be his worst nightmares coming true.
 * In summary, I do not see any way to describe his views or influence as fascist, and none of the sources above does it. My very best wishes (talk) 21:36, 26 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Only this single ref connects S with the subject of this page, but the subject is defined differently in the article, i.e. the novel term ‘rashism’ (рашизм) rapidly coalesced for referring to and negatively assessing the mixed-bag fascist-inflected ideology of neo-imperialism that the Kremlin deploys for justifying and promoting its actions. If we consider the subject of this page merely as new Russian neo-imperialism, then yes, more content, possibly even S., can be included. My very best wishes (talk) 21:58, 26 February 2023 (UTC)
 * But again, the subject of this page is presumably neo-fascism (e.g. per Snyder), rather than just neo-imperialism, which is a different thing. Therefore, not Solzehitsyn - simply because none of the cited sources describes his as a fascist - this term has specific meaning. My very best wishes (talk) 23:10, 27 February 2023 (UTC)

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Arbitrary use of the term
In the article, the term "Ruscism" is presented as if it were a synonym for "Russian Fascism". It is not. "Ruscism" is a neologism and the article should simply deal with how this term is being used by a (narrow) section of academics. Moreover, sources are used that do not even mention "Ruscism" and are attributed to it. I am in the process of removing them. Mhorg (talk) 09:31, 16 July 2024 (UTC)


 * For example, the section "Russian Orthodox Church (Moscow Patriarchate)". The central issue of "Ruscism" seems to me to be totally absent. What is it for then? Mhorg (talk) 09:37, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
 * See for example The 2022 Invasion of Ukraine and its Lessons for Nationalism Studies (sciendo.com) - The pejorative neologisms “RussiZm” and “Ruscism” (a portmanteau “Russia” and “fascism”) ManyAreasExpert (talk) 09:43, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
 * I got the point right, there is really a problem here on the English Wikipedia. I don't know how it got there, but even on the Ukrainian and Russian Wikis there are articles for "Russian Fascism" and they are separate from the neologism "Ruscism". Basically, since a small proportion of academics use the term "Ruscism" we are forcing the encyclopaedia to use this term instead of "Russian Fascism". Mhorg (talk) 09:46, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
 * I remember there was a discussion to delete Fascism in Russia or Russian Fascism in favor of Ruscism. Couldn't find it right away. ManyAreasExpert (talk) 09:52, 16 July 2024 (UTC)