Talk:Russell Mills (publisher)

Previous article was deleted in 2010
There used to be an article on Wikipeidia about Russell Mills, but apparently it was speedily deleted by an admin who has not been active on Wikipeia since 13 January 2014, sigh... XOttawahitech (talk) 13:37, 7 April 2014 (UTC)
 * It was speedily deleted as being an unreferenced WP:BLP, which it was. There is now a reference, although it may only be reliable as a source for the award, not for background.  — Arthur Rubin  (talk) 18:05, 10 April 2014 (UTC)
 * How do you know it was removed because it had no references? According to User:Dennis Brown the page was tagged with:G10 (attack page). See Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Editor_Retention? XOttawahitech (talk) 01:21, 11 April 2014 (UTC)


 * It was removed via G10, likely over "fired" and it was completely unsourced at the time. Looking at it, G10 was a bit strong since "fired" was the only negative thing in it, but being an unsourced BLP, the bar is pretty low for deletion.  It was about 3x longer than it is now. Dennis Brown &#124; 2¢ &#124;  WER  01:28, 11 April 2014 (UTC)
 * I'm pretty sure the we're supposed to grant unreferenced BLPs a 10 day grace period, per WP:BLPPROD. There's a lot of misuses of speedy deletion on Wikipedia. Pburka (talk) 13:38, 12 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Well, it wasn't a PROD, it was a CSD and was back in 2010. I think the word "fired" is what made the admin a bit quick on the trigger, and the fact that it had zero sources.  There is no "grace period" for unsourced BLPs, they are held to the strictest standards, particularly when they contain negative material, as they can have real world consequences.  BTW, your additions look good and I think make it a bit more clear as to notability.  Dennis Brown &#124; 2¢ &#124;  WER  13:42, 12 April 2014 (UTC)

More references - are these acceptable at Wikipedia?
XOttawahitech (talk) 12:23, 12 April 2014 (UTC)
 * http://www.globaljournalist.org/stories/2002/10/01/fired-canadian-publisher-superhero-of-free-press/
 * http://www.ifex.org/canada/2002/06/18/cjfe_calls_for_reinstatement_of/
 * http://books.google.com/books?id=1mCNXFPLsCkC&pg=PA102&lpg=PA102&dq=Russell+Mills+citizen&source=bl&ots=2w1gcNVrmt&sig=DyvcBvjkFZeUMtBz4VUAgZkqKeg&hl=en&sa=X&ei=vCxJU5CyOIaOyAH5rYGIDA&ved=0CIYBEOgBMBI#v=onepage&q=Russell%20Mills%20citizen&f=false
 * http://www.nytimes.com/2002/06/24/business/media-


 * First is a little iffy, a school of journalist but might be ok. The others seem perfectly fine to me and would be preferable for contentious stuff.  The NYT link you gave is borked, but obviously there is no issue with a NYT link as long as it isn't on the blogs. Then the issue is one of "due", but a single mention of the firing should be fine with a couple sources, to reduce any question as to wp:v.  The book probably has the most weight.  Dennis Brown &#124; 2¢ &#124;  WER  15:05, 12 April 2014 (UTC)


 * Another ref from 2002 just popped up out of the blue: http://www.nytimes.com/2002/06/24/business/media-publisher-s-ouster-stirs-new-outcry-on-canadian-chain.html XOttawahitech (talk) 21:36, 17 May 2014 (UTC)