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Article seems to deny credibility of the topic
I'm not clear what psychiatric care has to do with state actors conducting warfare. While I acknowledge that it is an article of faith for Scientology that psychiatric care is bad, for us unbelievers it seems irrelevant to the topic and calls into question the legitimacy of these sort of gatherings, more so than than the basic premise.

Came here to try and understand the reference in the following Russia Today article http://rt.com/news/192552-israel-jsil-twitter-isis/. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:306:CFB6:ACB0:F960:3458:4495:BAFF (talk) 07:30, 7 November 2014 (UTC)

Influence on justice system
I found this article trying to learn out about the effects of these tribunals on (inter)national justice systems, such as the International Criminal Court in The Hague. Leaving this as feedback, that I think it'd be useful to add if knowledge about such effects is available, and if so, what those effects have been. Joris Landman (talk) 22:23, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

too short, Israel
I think the article is too short. It needs to tell us more about the tribunal itself, its arguments and its findings. Also the historical surrounds should be mentioned, like the 1967 Israel vs Egypt war which wiped the issues of the pages of the international press. I expect Wikipedia to be highly inquisitive and at least mention ALL REALITIES 210.54.239.10 06:59, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

It really should be pointed out that the 2010 Tribunal on Gaza was completely racist in nature - these people should be ashamed of themselves. Interestingly, the only real media coverage it received was on Press TV. Interesting bedfellows! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.186.23.241 (talk) 23:16, 26 February 2011 (UTC)

Archive
Any material here prior to my signature has been moved to Archive 2. Please go there if you would like to see the past history of the article. KC9CQJ 04:11, 16 May 2005 (UTC)

For a short history of popular or peoples' tribunals and hearings See "Women Testify: A Planning Guide for Popular Tribunals & Hearings. I. En-gendering Popular Tribunals/Hearings", available online at  http://www.cwgl.rutgers.edu/globalcenter/womentestify/chapter%20I.pdf.

The tradition established by Russell and others in 1967 is similar to the 'truth commissions' set up in South Africa and other countries which have suffered from state-inflicted human atrocities. It is, in part, a way of making a record of testimony of people affected by atrocities. This, in a very small, way helps to balance the traditional histories created by state authorities having the power to write their views of history for posterity. Even if no law is created, and certainly there is no power of enforcement, real witnesses can testify, and others can interpret it howsoever they wish. The fact that it is not 'legal' is really irrelevant when viewed in this way. Unfortunately, the vast majority of the world will never have the opportunity to hear these other sides of the stories we hear about on our news. This allows the state-perpetrated myths to predominate.

-To the critical commentator in your archives, why doesn't he/she look into the birth deformities suffered by children born after the Vietnam War. Is this on your news? Is the US free of responsibility for this? This is only the tip of the iceberg of the repercussions of that war [and all war, especially in contemporary times] on a people seeking to be free of foreign domination, and with irreparable fallout on the world's environment, and for what?! .......

There is a wealth of literature on truth commissions, and numerous universities offer law courses in this area of human rights. A sample of some of this literature follows:

Martha Minow, Between Vengeance and Forgiveness (1998)

Rotberg, R.I. and Thompson, D. (eds.), Truth v. Justice: The Morality of Truth Commissions (2000)

Truth and Econociliation Commission of South Africa: Final Report (1998).

Villa-Vicencio, C. and Verwoerd, W. (eds.), Looking Back, Reaching Forward: Reflections on the Truth Commission of South Africa (2001)

Wilson, R.A., The Politics of Truth and Reconciliation in South Africa (2001).

Taylor, T., The Anatomy of the Nuremberg Trials: A Personal Memoir (1993).

James, W. and Van der Vijver, L. (eds.), After the TRC: Reflections on Truth and Reconsiliation in South Africa (2000).

Des Forges, A., Leave None to Tell the Story: Genocide in Rwanda (1999), Human Rights Watch (see their website)

Buergendahl, T., "The United Nations Truth Commission for El Salvador," 27 Vanderbilt Journal of Transnational Law 497 (1994). [User BKW 22 Nov 2005]

I think the Richard Falk quote characterizing the tribunal as "a juridical farce" in the criticism section should be thrown out; he's actually quite amenable to the idea of truth commissions and the quote may be taken out of context, recently in Al Jazeera he said: "The Russell Tribunal was derided at the time as a 'kangaroo court' or a 'circus' because its conclusions could be accurately anticipated in advance, its authority was self-proclaimed and without governmental approval, it had no control over those accused, and its capabilities fell far short of enforcement. What was overlooked in such criticism was the degree to which this dismissal of the Russell experiment reflected the monopolistic and self-serving claims of the state and state system to control the administration of law, ignoring the contrary claims of society to have law administered fairly in accord with justice, at least symbolically. Also ignored by critics was the fact that only such initiatives could overcome the blackout of truth achieved by the geopolitics of impunity." Here's the link(It's near the bottom of the article): http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/2011/11/2011111815484766433.html

split this article because of rtop?
it seems that the rtop is a separate and distinct organization: "In April 2011, the association converted to a non-profit organisation, with legal status in Brussels, by Pierre Galand, Jacques Michiels, Jacques Debatty, Nadia Farkh, Henri Eisendrath and Roseline Sonet.[7] The former non-elected PS senator, Pierre Galand, was appointed president of the association."


 * should we separate this out into its own article? (WP:SPLIT) Soosim (talk) 09:20, 13 September 2012 (UTC)

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