Talk:Russenorsk

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 * stopped being used after 1917...

Awfully precise. Did people stop knowing how to speak the language through massive self-imposed amnesia or did something change polically that banned or discouraged the use of the language?


 * Since 1917 is the year of the Revolution, I have to assume the later. -- orthogonal 05:08, 6 Sep 2004 (UTC)


 * It was a trade language, last time used about 1923 as it was this year the last Russian boat came to Norway. I would say it was made from about 45% Russian, 45% Norwegian and 10% loanwords from other languages. I will soon add some examples ~in the Norwegian version (check "Norsk". Jakro64 20:15, 12 Oct 2004 (UTC)


 * created by traders and whalers from the Norwegian Svalbard archipelago and the Russian Kola peninsula...
 * This is not true. The pomor trade happened in mainland Norway and in the Lofoten and Vesterålen archipealgios; far far away from Svalbard. Svalbard didn't even have a permanent population that early..


 * I must agree whith the person above. I dont know much about this language, but i have read that it was created for use during the pomor trade in northern Norway and the Kola peninsula. I have never seen Svalbard mentioned at all in connection with russenorsk. Inge 15:38, 24 May 2005 (UTC)

Description
The sentence referring to minutiae and irrelevancies could well be reworded. Dpr

Svalbard
There was continued Russian-Norwegian contact after 1923 --Henrygb 09:11, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

Russian phrase

 * Another name for the language was Moja på tvoja (from the Russian words моя "my", по "by" твоя "your," that parodied a perverted Russian phrase, meaning something like "I can speak in your language").

OK, but what is the phrase (there should be no reason we can't include it)? Also, this is confusingly worded.--Dhartung | Talk 06:55, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

Mistake
'In Russian' in Russian is not по-Русский, but по-русски... This should be correct in the article.

Smeira 13:25, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Merge
I oppose a merger with Pomor dialect as these two are two different things. One is a dialect of Russian. The other is a trade language and mix of Russian and Norwegian used by both Norwegians and Russians.Inge (talk) 09:00, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I agree. Opposed. -- Nidator T / C 18:06, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Absolutely, there is no justification for this merge. I'm removing the "proposal". --Dante Alighieri | Talk 16:24, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Råbbåtom and klæba?
Could someone elaborate on where these words are supposedly still in use? I'm a Northern Norwegian myself, but I've never come across either of them. Since Northern Norway is a large geographical area and there is considerable dialectical variation, I won't immediately rule out the possibility that they still see limited use somewhere, but if so, the article should be more specific. Otherwise, I suspect they went out of use decades ago. Maitreya (talk) 11:54, 22 February 2011 (UTC)

Requested move 7 September 2017

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The result of the move request was: not moved  Dr Strauss   talk   17:54, 15 September 2017 (UTC)

Russenorsk → Russenorsk language – This article is of a language, and language articles have "language" in the title. Komsk  (talk me) 05:16, 7 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Oppose. Most language articles have "language" in the title because most language names also happen to be names of ethnicities or nationalities. But this isn't the case for Russenorsk (as it also isn't the case for Nynorsk or for Sanskrit). The naming conventions on languages allow the use of the bare name when it's unambiguous or when the language is unquestionably the primary topic. And because of WP:PRECISE WP:CONCISE this is what has normally been done so far. Moving to Russenorsk language would make sense only if the bare title turns out to be either ambiguous or potentially confusing, but I'm not seeing that here. – Uanfala 09:44, 7 September 2017 (UTC)


 * @Uanfala. But moving to Russenorsk language, the people can know if Russenorsk is an language. In Spanish Wikipedia the languages articles have "Idioma" in the title. The same is moving Nynorsk to Nynorsk writting. Komsk Flag of Komi.svg Flag of Omsk Oblast.svg (talk me) 07:30, 11 September 2017 (UTC)


 * Oppose. As per Uanfala's logic. Also, Komsk, the Spanish-language Wikipedia may well have a different naming convention, and you're welcome to suggest to them that they should rename their version of the article. By the way, neither article currently has "idioma" in the title (nor does the article for Sanskrit), so I don't know that your assertion is even accurate. https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russenorsk https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nynorsk https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/S%C3%A1nscrito
 * --Dante Alighieri | Talk 18:02, 11 September 2017 (UTC)


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På and по
There's a note that says:

"/po/ in both languages happens to mean 'in' when referring to speaking in a language, though they are pronounced slightly differently."

Do we know if this similarity is coincidental? Or are the words perhaps cognates? Thomas Norren (talk) 12:34, 28 July 2022 (UTC)