Talk:Russian Airborne Forces

Title
Is "Airborne Troops" an official English name? Troops, referring to individual soldiers and not organizations, is usually only used informally; in traditional military parlance a troop is a small cavalry formation, part of a squadron. "Airborne Forces" seems like a better translation of voyska to me. —Michael Z. 2006-10-29 06:55 Z 
 * In the website of the Russian Ministry of Defense appears as Airborne Troops. See here.--Darz Mol 02:36, 31 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Good enough. Thank you. —Michael Z. 2006-10-31 02:58 Z 

What are they?
Are the Airbone Forces an arm of service, equal with the army and air force, or are they part of the army?

The Airborne Troops are the most capable mobile assault forces of Russia, as they are airborne forces in the first place

What? —Michael Z. 2007-08-05 06:43 Z 


 * They are currently not equal to the 3 primary branches, but they are a sort of secondary branch directly subordinate to the Ministry of Defence. If the MoD is a division, then the Army, Air Force and Navy are the regiments and Strategic Rockets, Space and Airborne are the independent battalions. --Kazuaki Shimazaki 14:08, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

Special forces within VDV
The reason I categorised the VDV as special forces is because of the Special Reconnaissance article. The Reconnaissance troops of VDV are also trained in these tasks although they are nominally subunits of their parent formations. Besides that most SpetzNaz troops can only reach their units following either service or at least training with VDV. --  mrg3105  mrg3105   05:44, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
 * You should categorise as special forces the 45th Detached Reconnaissance Regiment, but not the whole Airborne Troops.--Darz Mol (talk) 16:46, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

Lost in translation
Can somebody transliterate & include "десантно-штурмовой батальон" & "военно-морской десант"? (I mean, what is that in the Roman alphabet?) Thanks. TREKphiler  hit me ♠  03:12, 27 July 2008 (UTC)


 * "Air Assault Battalion" and "Marines". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.16.16.46 (talk) 09:39, 29 August 2008 (UTC)


 * "десантно-штурмовой батальон" - untranslatable into English since dessant is a French word dessaint and shturm is a German word schturm. In English it would be something like Introduced-Storming, but to differentiate Soviet troops from US Army (which has actual Air Assault branch and unit) I would suggest using dessant-assault.
 * Similarly there are no 'Marines' in the Soviet or Russian navies (thats the US or Royal navies). The Russian amphibious warfare troops are called (literally) military-sea dessant. They have never served as part of the ship's company as the Western Marines did, but were always purely amphibious infantry troops. During WW2 some sailors served in the infantry capacity, and were called morskaya pehota - sea infantry (literally).120.18.186.141 (talk) 02:40, 18 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Russian amphibious warfare troops are called Naval Infantry. And VDV translates perfectly into English as 'Air Descent Forces'. And also 'descent-storm batalion'.--SergeiXXX (talk) 02:32, 27 October 2010 (UTC)

I feel old
"in the '30s"? Isn't there a more specific date available? TREKphiler  hit me ♠  03:18, 27 July 2008 (UTC)


 * 2 August 1930.

VDV Day Celebrated on August 2, possibly worth a mention
Links:Geo8rge (talk) 23:36, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

Removed outdated/incomplete picture of force structure
i would create a new one myself, but I don't know how.Lugnuthemvar (talk) 22:45, 21 March 2014 (UTC)
 * easy, you just ask the original creator (me) on my talkpage for a new graphic with the structure :-) but we have a problem: what units make up the 11th Airborne Brigade, 56th Guards Air Assault Brigade and 83rd Airborne Brigade?? It only makes sense to do a new graphic if we know what units make up the brigades. noclador (talk) 22:55, 21 March 2014 (UTC)


 * that's a big problem. I don't know either :( Lugnuthemvar (talk) 23:00, 21 March 2014 (UTC)


 * PS you have an amazing collection of unit coat of arms. cheers Lugnuthemvar (talk) 23:06, 21 March 2014 (UTC)


 * For the 31st Brigade, the old Vad777 page suggested that the battalions were the 498th and 499th, with the 500th having been disbanded in 1996. Buckshot06 (talk) 20:28, 22 March 2014 (UTC)
 * For the 83rd, Vad's page as of 2007 said: "окр.подчинения, до 1986 в Польше- В Уссурийске до начала 90-х годов стояла только 14-я обрСпН и рота СпН 5-й армии. Потом на Барановский прибыла 83 одшбр в составе: 635, 654 и еще один пдб, 9-й гвардейский (только он и был гв) гаубичный дивизион и в середине 90-х появился 111-й отб - 31 танк Т-80Б.Бригада и сейчас жива на БМП гоняют. Два прыжка за всю службу. 635/654 или 954/598 опдб, подразделения обеспечения а это 8 рот, в то числе и гвардейский артиллерийский дивизион" Buckshot06 (talk) 20:31, 22 March 2014 (UTC)
 * We have a Russian wikipedia page for the 56th, which is at ru:56-я_гвардейская_отдельная_десантно-штурмовая_бригада. There are Russian links from there, easily accessible via G Translate for those without good Russian or Ukrainian. For confirmation of all this, the Soldat.ru forums would easily be able to assist. Buckshot06 (talk) 20:44, 22 March 2014 (UTC)

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Should this page be split?
It covers both Soviet and Russian VDV - which are arguably not the same thing. It notes that Soviet VDV were split between Russian Federation, Ukraine and Belarus, so a page on the RUSSIAN VDV is not the right place to cover the SOVIET VDV - so a separate page for Russian VDV from dissolution of USSR, and page for Soviet VDV ending at dissolution of USSR. Aloysius the Gaul (talk) 20:32, 2 August 2019 (UTC)

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Split now should be considered
With 's excellent additions regarding the post-1990 structure of the VDV, this page is now over 150 kB. WP:SIZERULE suggests it now be split. I would like to go ahead and do this. Are there any comments? Buckshot06 (talk) 08:32, 3 June 2021 (UTC)
 * I would support splitting Soviet Airborne Forces into a separate article. I don't think that Russian Federation and Soviet military is the same topic. (t &#183; c)  buidhe  03:29, 4 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Agree, article is too long at present and 1990/1 looks to be the obvious point for a split - Dumelow (talk) 06:01, 4 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Grand, yes indeed recreating Soviet Airborne Forces was my plan. Will do so. Buckshot06 (talk) 06:43, 4 June 2021 (UTC)

Extremely hard to read.
We need to remove the russian form the page and all the nicknames the units have. it's an eyesore and confusing. trying to sift through it gave me a literal headache. Goggo2022 (talk) 06:38, 5 February 2022 (UTC)

Current events warning
A lot of the information regarding the Russo-Ukraine is unverified. There should be a disclaimer the article involves current events and information may change. Especially during active information operations. 45.248.49.117 (talk) 03:23, 5 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Added to the section on the Russian invasion of Ukraine. Phiarc (talk) 12:17, 5 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Seems mostly like propaganda to boast one side or the other. Ahm1453 (talk) 18:57, 25 April 2022 (UTC)

It is indeed just propaganda and product of current times. The whole engagement in invasion should be mentioned in 3-4 sentenceces max. No really as much important from unit perspective. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.214.108.12 (talk) 12:49, 30 April 2022 (UTC)

Citation 61 leads to https://theweek.com/john-oliver/1013146/john-oliver-explores-the-deliberate-causes-and-tragic-costs-of-environmental and is entirely irrelevant. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.155.57.107 (talk) 20:56, 23 May 2022 (UTC)

Paratroopers in Kharkiv
"2022 Invasion of Ukraine" section contains a few mentions of paratroopers "dropping" (Vasylkiv) and "landing" (Kharkiv). I took interest in early reports of parachutes and scoured the internet for evidence of it, but haven't found any. "landing" might be ok but "dropping" definitely implies parachutes. Nelsonblaha (talk) 23:13, 2 November 2022 (UTC)