Talk:Russian Cross

Purpose?
What's the purpose of this article? All of the information here can be found in the demographics article, except in a more balanced manner. ie. this article only gives one possible cause of the crisis, while mentioning nothing of the recent improvements. LokiiT (talk) 07:21, 8 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Should probably be merged to Demographics of Russia, until the topic is expanded enough to warrant separate article. Zodon (talk) 22:12, 22 March 2012 (UTC)


 * It's a rather unusual and striking demographic phenomenon... AnonMoos (talk) 13:09, 23 March 2012 (UTC)

is another of the many Rusophobic scum on whackypedia (see boycott (insert), trolls factory , vatnik (slang) , don't buy (insert) , UrusHyby/Userboxes/FB , many ip or even userz and even adminz (how tf ?!!) , else). -- xor — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.31.194.153 (talk) 17:27, 13 August 2017 (UTC)

Graph improve
Graphs should use more than just color to distinguish lines (per standards on use of color). Also, use of red is questionable (the increase in mortality rate would be a more of a "red flag") or simply using colors with fewer associations for western viewers. Zodon (talk) 22:11, 22 March 2012 (UTC)


 * The graphics seem pretty clear to me, and would not seem to cause problems for people with red-green color blindness. There are a lot of graphs like File:Goverment surplus or deficit since 2001 (piiggs and US).svg out there... I guess the image author went with black=death. AnonMoos (talk) 13:18, 23 March 2012 (UTC)

Updating - Perhaps move?
As other contributors may know, Russia has sufficiently recovered demographically such that it registered a (very small) natural increase last year. Both graphs in the article are outdated, one looks like it ends in 2008, the other around 2002. One other thing that could improve the article would be a link or two to articles establishing the use of the term "Russian Cross" such as. Also, perhaps this is an article that would be better merged into the Russian Demographics article. Gabrielthursday (talk) 22:01, 19 April 2014 (UTC)


 * Not sure about merger, but useful updates would of course be welcomed... AnonMoos (talk) 17:48, 20 April 2014 (UTC)

Graphs do not match descriptive text.
The text states: However, for both the long term Russian graph, and the Ukrainian chart, the first claim is misleading and the second is simply not correct.
 * 1) Since 1988 birth rates among native Russians (as well as most other ethnic groups of the European part of the former Soviet Union) have been declining, ...
 * 2) ... while since 1991 the death rates have been climbing

Both graphs in fact show death rates climbing steadily from the early 1960s, peaking around 1994 followed by a short sharp dip, and then roughly leveling off for the 2000s. As for birth rates, the largest fall occurs from the 1950s to the mid-1960s. There was indeed another fall in the late 1980s, however far from being "Since 1988" it reversed by about 1993 in Russia and by 1998 in Ukraine. It seems to be pure coincidence that the lines crossed roughly around the time of the collapse of the USSR: both trends clearly started well before that event, and -- contrary to the implication in the text -- stopped, not started, shortly after it. -- 202.63.39.58 (talk) 16:07, 7 September 2014 (UTC)


 * I have difficulty aligning the blue boxes in File:BirthDeath_1950_RU.svg with any of the vertical lines, but File:Russian_Cross_ENG.jpg does appear to fit the description... AnonMoos (talk) 02:56, 12 September 2014 (UTC)