Talk:Russian Empire–United States relations

Possible source (LaRouche)
Here is something that could and should be used in developing this article. The publication is connected to the LaRouche movement and as such may not be considered reliable. Everything here should be referenced to other reliable sources.



Contemporary sources
...and here is a list of references from the above article. Most are pre-1914 sources.


 * Adams, Great Britain and the American Civil War
 * John Quincy Adams, Memoirs of John Quincy Adams, Vol. 2.
 * Thomas W. Balch, The Alabama Arbitration (Philadelphia: Allen, Lane and Scott, 1900).
 * Wharton Barker, "The Secret of Russian Friendship," published in the Independent, LVI, March 24, 1904.
 * Rev. Charles B. Boynton, The Four Great Powers: England, France, Russia and America: Their Policy, Resources, and Probably Future (Cincinnati, Chicago: C.F. Vent and Co., 1866).
 * James Callahan, "Russo-American Relations During the American Civil War," Morgantown: West Virginia University Studies in American History, 1908, Series I, Diplomatic History No. 1.
 * Cassius Marcellus Clay, The Life of Cassius Marcellus Clay, Memoirs, Writings and Speeches (Cincinnati: J.F. Brennan and Co., 1886).
 * Charles A. DeArnaud, The Union and Its Ally Russia (Washington: Gibson Bros., 1890).
 * Lincoln Papers: No. 10880-4, Clay to Lincoln, private, July 25, 1861.
 * Samuel Eliot Morison, John Paul Jones: A Sailor's Biography (Boston: Little, Brown and Co., 1959).
 * Proceedings of the American Philosophical Society, 91:1947.
 * James R. Robertson, A Kentuckian at the Court of the Tsars (Berea, Kentucky: Berea College Press, 1935).
 * Benjamin Platt Thomas, "Russo-American Relations, 1815-1867," Johns Hopkins Studies, series 48 (1930).
 * U.S. Department of State Archives, Diplomatic Correspondence of the United States, June 21, 1861.
 * U.S. Department of State manuscripts, Cameron to Seward, Dispatches, Russia, 1860-1869. Washington.
 * U.S. Department of State manuscripts, Cameron to Seward, Dispatches, Russia, 1860-1869. Washington.

-- Petri Krohn (talk) 19:48, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

... and modern ones
And here is a are two modern "reliable" sources that quotes Konstantin George:



-- Petri Krohn (talk) 03:13, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

American Civil War US-Russian Relations
Even after the Confederacy seceded, the majority of Russians still viewed the United States with contempt in regard to segregation and racism. THIS IS AN UNSUPPORTED CLAIM AND THE BIBLIOGRAPHY CITED BELOW IS STANDARD FARE. THE ONLY "MAJORITY" WAS 2% OF RUSSIAN POPULATION WHO COULD READ, HAD AN EDUCATION (ALL PRIVATE/TUTORED) AND A STAKE IN THE HISTORY OF THE LAND, OR EVEN KNEW ANYTHING ABOUT THE NEWS FROM AMERICA IN THOSE DAYS OTHER THAN WHAT COULD BE READ IN THE ST PETERSBURG TIMES WHICH MADE CLEAR THE RUSSIAN GOV'TS SYMPATHY FOR THE NORTH. THERE ALSO WAS A LIBERAL SECTION WITHIN THE ESTABLISHMENT (Lincoln, In the Vanguard of Reform: Russia's Enlightened Bureaucrats,1825-1861). 8% OF THIS "MAJORITY" WERE FUNCTIONALLY ILLITERATE AND THE REST INCLUDING THE 24 MILLION RECENTLY-EMANCIPATED SERFS WERE ILLITERATE.

IT SEEMS EVEN TODAY THOSE WITH COLLEGE DEGREES STILL MAKE THE MISTAKE OF VIEWING RUSSIA AND RUSSIAN HISTORY THROUGH WESTERN LENS WITH ASSUMPTIONS AND EXPECTATIONS NO LESS ILLUSORY THEN THE EXPECTATIONS THAT ARE ALREADY CLAIMED OR BELIEVED TO EXIST IN THE WEST AND FULFILLED IN AMERICA.

WHERE THE IDEA THAT THIS "MAJORITY" IN RUSSIA HAS SOLELY A CYNICAL VIEW OF NORTHERN ATTEMPTS TO EMANCIPATE THE SLAVES HAS NEVER READ ACTUAL CIVIL WAR DIPLOMATIC DISPATCHES BETWEEN THE TWO NATIONS ACKNOWLEDGING THOSE SIMILAR ACTS OF EMANCIPATION--OR THINK, FOR EXAMPLE, THAT SEWARD'S WORDS ARE MERELY DISINGENUOUS, VAPID PROSE. WHILE RUSSIAN MINISTER, STOEKL STATES THAT "WE HAVE NO QUARREL WITH THE SOUTHERN PEOPLE" WE THINK WE CAN ACCURATELY SAY THAT THE RUSSIAN NOBILITY'S ATTITUDE (THE ONLY "MAJORITY" OPINION THAT WAS ACTUALLY HEARD OR COUNTED IN RUSSIA THANKS TO THE AUTOCRATIC, 'TABLE OF RANKS' SYSTEM) WAS THAT WHEREAS THE CONFEDERATES (THINKING THEMSELVES ARISTOCRATS AND SONS OF BLUE BLOODS) VIEWED THEIR NEGROES AS "SUB-HUMAN," THE RUSSIAN NOBILITY (ACTUAL ARISTOCRATS) VIEWED THEIR SERFS AS ONLY "SUB-CLASS." THERE'S A WIDE WORLD OF DIFFERENCE IN THOSE TWO VIEWS. GOING BACK TO CATHERINE THE GREAT, THE RUSSIAN GOV'T TOOK AN ACTIVE INTEREST NOT ONLY IN THEIR OWN ABORIGINAL POPULATION BUT EVEN OF THOSE IN NORTH AMERICA AND DID ACTIVE LINGUISTIC WORK OF RECORD IN THAT REGARDS.

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