Talk:Russian cruiser Moskva

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Storm
Do we have any independent data about the stormy weather while the cruiser was being towed? There are tweets like this, saying about 14 knots, but a more reliable source would be preferable. --Jmk (talk) 09:29, 15 April 2022 (UTC)


 * @Jmk that report appears to be credible. There were reports of choppy waters on 13. On 14 the weather had stablized. But the Russian spin had already latched on to the storm theory by then. Some of the analysts had pointed this during the interviews. Venkat TL (talk) 09:38, 15 April 2022 (UTC)
 * https://www.timeanddate.com/weather/@665788/historic this is historical wheather data from the west coast of Rumania, light wind. I read a rapport of light wind and rain, but can't find it again. So aprox. 50-100 nm from where the Moscow the was hit weather was better than average - so the russian take on the weather seems to be "more propaganda" than fact. 5.186.126.139 (talk) 22:23, 15 April 2022 (UTC)


 * Moskva was a cruiser; the biggest type of naval ship short of an aircraft carrier, and the biggest ship in the Black Sea. Cruisers do not sink because of rough weather. MrDemeanour (talk) 09:32, 16 April 2022 (UTC)
 * They do if they are floundering. 2001:2F8:1F:355:ED61:45EB:684:EC83 (talk) 10:39, 17 April 2022 (UTC)
 * I think you mean foundering?It is possible that stability was so severely compromised by damage that even mild weather would cause further downflooding and sinking 2A00:23C6:150A:201:59AC:8E6C:33DC:A945 (talk) 20:43, 14 December 2022 (UTC)
 * do you have a source on this? 69.127.80.46 (talk) 14:34, 27 April 2022 (UTC)

Possible source: Reconstruction of ukrainian attack in a simulator
https://youtube.com/watch?v=GngwrU_JYg8

-- Kreyren (talk) 22:40, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Most YT channels would fall under WP:UGC and this one seems to be one of them. ☆ Bri (talk) 02:40, 24 April 2022 (UTC)

Full load displacement
Can someone with access to Jane's confirm the ship's full load displacement? It's gone back and forth several times between 11,490 and 12,490, often with unexplained IP edits. At least one of our sources (BBC?) says 12,490, which I suspect is correct. This also needs to be fixed at Slava-class cruiser. GA-RT-22 (talk) 22:15, 26 April 2022 (UTC)
 * I can confirm that "Jane's fighting ships, 2009-2010" lists the full-load displacement of Slava-class cruisers (under which it lists Moskva) as 11,490 tons. The 12,490 figure was IP vandalism from 2015 and the BBC number is likely a WP:CIRCULAR ref. See this related discussion at RSN. Abecedare (talk) 22:43, 26 April 2022 (UTC)

The Washington Post: U.S. provided intelligence that helped Ukraine sink Russian warship
"The United States provided Ukraine with intelligence that helped Kyiv attack and sink the flagship of Russia’s Black Sea fleet, the Moskva, in one of the most dramatic battlefield successes of the 71-day old war, according to people familiar with the matter..." [removed copyright violation from https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2022/05/05/us-intelligence-ukraine-moskva-sinking/] Dobryclovek (talk) 01:10, 6 May 2022 (UTC)


 * Please don't copy large sections of copyrighted material to Wikipedia, not even to a talk page. See Copyright violations. GA-RT-22 (talk) 03:33, 6 May 2022 (UTC)