Talk:Russian undesirable organizations law

archive.today vs. Wayback machine
For some reason, archive.today (aka archive.ph) is not available for me.

I've checked this site via «Down for Everyone or Just Me» and it claims that «It's not just you! archive.ph is down».

Yes, the Wayback Machine wasn't updated for a long time, perhaps, due to foreign IPs ban in Russia, but at least I can open an old version, in contrast to archive.ph.

So, what is the added value to note in the article the website, which is down?

— 2A02:810D:13C0:3792:D497:D073:FAC3:4CA0 (talk) 13:43, 29 August 2023 (UTC)


 * archive.today is protected by anti-bot measures, so this may explain why "Down for Everyone or Just Me" cannot access the website. As far as I know, I can access the Ministry of Justice snapshot without issue, so please check if your browser or local internet connection is stopping you from accessing the website. -- Minoa (talk) 17:10, 29 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Okay, I'll check it with and without VPN, by multiple ISPs. 2A02:810D:13C0:3792:D497:D073:FAC3:4CA0 (talk) 18:18, 29 August 2023 (UTC)

Rollback to the poorly edited version with a lot of lacks
> I had to revert your changes to the layout of the table because (1) reliable sources had been deleted, (2) you nearly spammed links to websites of affected organisations, and (3) the format of the table does not have to match that of the Ministry of Justice. --Minoa (talk) 00:05, 29 August 2023 (UTC)

> (1) reliable sources had been deleted

The references for some of organizations have been deleted since: (a) the primary and the most official reference is the table of Ministry of Justice (link already appears in the list or references), which is universal and valid for all items in the table. Currently, there are reference links to 25 items out of 106, which is just 23.5%.

> (2) you nearly spammed links to websites of affected organisations

What do you mean with "spammed"? I've arranges the ref. links just as it accepted by admins of the German Wiki (de-Wiki): the links to the foreign Wikis, along with the links to the external websites. I assumed, that the links rules are identical across all Wiki pages. How should be the links to external websites be arranged in the English Wiki?

> (3) the format of the table does not have to match that of the Ministry of Justice.

I just wanted to unify the table style across all wiki articles (EN, DE, RU, CS), to simplify the further table maintenance. IMO, it's also better if the Wiki table, which reflects the official table from the Ministry of Justice, has also similar look to the data source, to improve the user experience to the end-customer, which might want to work with both tables. The biggest change I've contributed is the arranging the organization names: the original table of Ministry of Justice contains a lot of outdated and inconsistent information. In my version of table all names are updated, verified, and its representation is unified across EN, DE, RU, and CS Wikis: writings (the organization name is written in its original languages, added organizations' acronyms, links to the official website in case there is no wiki-article yet.

To conclude, I've invested a lot of time to bring the tables in the complete and consistent state across four Wikis, in case there are some particular requirements on en-Wiki, which prevent from my version to be published, let's fix it, not just make an automatic rollback to the poorly edited version with a lot of lacks.

— 2A02:810D:13C0:3792:D497:D073:FAC3:4CA0 (talk) 13:52, 29 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Thanks for improving article by adding the references.
 * Regarding the dates and the names of organisations, the English Wikipedia has certain policies that apply here: MOS:DATE and WP:TITLE. The former describes the date formats that are acceptable and the latter says that unless there is a good reason, the article titles should be used when referring to entities which have articles about them. Therefore, Člověk v tísni should be listed as People in Need. Alaexis¿question? 18:56, 3 September 2023 (UTC)
 * @Alaexis, thanks for clarifying this moment.
 * One more thing, in case an organization has an acronym, e.g. "National Endowment for Democracy (NED)", should acronym appear in this table?
 * Thanks. 2A02:810D:13C0:3792:9D35:CA4A:CE9D:C91D (talk) 15:45, 5 September 2023 (UTC)
 * I would leave out the acronyms unless that is part of the article's title here (exceptions include the CEELI Institute and the WOT Foundation). The reason is unnecessary duplication. -- Minoa (talk) 15:50, 5 September 2023 (UTC)
 * In case an organization has only an Wiki-article on a language other than English, should a link to an article be decorated as a reference (like in German Wiki) or it can be a basic inline link, just like if it would be a link to an English article? 2A02:810D:13C0:3792:78A0:3A8:E0DA:E6D9 (talk) 22:18, 5 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Just a basic inline link, just like if it would be a link to an English article. -- Minoa (talk) 01:20, 6 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Btw you can use the Template:ill for links to other Wikipedias. Alaexis¿question? 12:59, 6 September 2023 (UTC)
 * All interlinks have been switched to the "ill" template for more table readability and consistency. 2A02:810D:13C0:3792:28C3:5857:8787:5D77 (talk) 19:57, 18 September 2023 (UTC)

Country of origin of Anti-War Committee of Russia
You've added Lithuania as the country of origin of Anti-War Committee of Russia.

Could you please provide a reference for this data? I wasn't able to find any mention of Lithuania as the country of origin of this organization on their official website.
 * Hello, it seems I copied the location from the organisation's article infobox. I am chasing up with the user who added the location as to what source they used to add such a statement. -- Minoa (talk) 17:37, 3 February 2024 (UTC)