Talk:Rustin (film)

Requested move 16 October 2022

 * The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. 

The result of the move request was: Moved. Per consensus. As noted, the 2001 film was an article and now a redirect, and doesn't seem to be notable. A triple-page round robin will be performed to preserve the history of the redirect to (2001 film). (closed by non-admin page mover) – robertsky (talk) 14:32, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

Rustin (upcoming film) → Rustin (film) – Rustin (film) was about a 2001 film (125 votes!) until it was proposed for deletion and redirected to Rick Johnson (quarterback), whose sourcing is also lacking. As long as no other (non-redirect) article named "Rustin (xxxx film)" exists, this should be at "Rustin (film)". Nardog (talk) 02:44, 16 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Note to closer: If this RM is successful, Rustin (film) should first be moved to Rustin (2001 film) before this article is moved there. Nardog (talk) 02:47, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Actually, Rustin (film) redirects to, not to , so it wouldn't need to be moved, and Rustin (2001 film) already exists and redirects to the correct place. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 04:39, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Then the history of Rustin (film) would be lost (or be at Rustin (upcoming film) if swapped). Nardog (talk) 05:50, 16 October 2022 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
 * Comment: This would be WP:incomplete disambiguation, because the other Rustin film is also discussed on Wikipedia. Partial disambiguation is very seldom used on Wikipedia. At the moment, I think we don't yet know how popular the upcoming film will be. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 04:39, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
 * It wouldn't be incomplete disambiguation as long as Rustin (2001 film) remains a redirect. WP:PRIMARYFILM starts with: "If a film shares its title with one or more other film topics on Wikipedia..." But there currently isn't more than one film topic with the title Rustin. Casablanca (film) is at Casablanca (film) even though there are other non-notable films named Casablanca because it is the only film topic on Wikipedia with the title Casablanca. Same with Alien (film), Interstellar (film), Thor (film), etc.
 * It makes little sense to send the reader who typed "Rustin (film)" to a dab page that has only one blue link to an article named "Rustin (xxxx film)". It's par for the course for an article named "... (film)" to be moved to "... (xxxx film)" when another article with the same base name is created. So why should the reverse not happen when one is deleted? Nardog (talk) 05:50, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
 * You seem to be trying to equate the phrase "topics on Wikipedia" with "article titles on Wikipedia". But that's exactly why WP:PRIMARYFILM is using the phrase "film topics" rather than "article titles". Please see WP:DAB – it says to consider any "subject covered by Wikipedia, either as the main topic of an article, or as a subtopic covered by an article in addition to the article's main topic". A topic discussed in an article does not need to be part of the title of that article. The 2001 film is a subtopic that is discussed in addition to the main topic of the Rick Johnson (quarterback) article. I only found one film topic entitled Alien, one entitled Interstellar, and one entitled Thor that are discussed on Wikipedia. We don't try to consider everything that might exist anywhere (e.g. on IMDb) –  only those topics that are discussed "on Wikipedia". I'm surprised to discover a mention of an alleged second Casablanca, which seems to have come out rather recently. However, after doing a little research, that one seems to be titled Kasablanka (per IMDb) rather than Casablanca. Regardless of how that plays out from here, I don't think that's comparable. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 06:33, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Support. The 2001 film does not have an article and is not notable. 162 etc. (talk) 19:46, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Support for the reasons expressed in the nomination. I don't consider it an issue at all that the history of the current article Rustin (film) would be lost, as there is very little of value there anyway and not enough that you would want to save it for any future expansion on that respective film. If it is an issue, just move the history over Rustin (2001 film) then redirect that (either to the DAB or the current Rick Johnson (quarterback)). It seems logical to me that the Rustin (film) article name be utilised for an article with some actual prose about a relevant film, such as the upcoming one. If mention of the seemingly un-noteworthy 2001 film is desired, this could be noted with a hatlink to the DAB page, where it is already mentioned. Bungle (talk • contribs) 21:31, 17 October 2022 (UTC)

Slanted framing of specific criticisms
"Specific criticism was further directed towards the film's approach of Rustin's sexuality as a narrative."

I think that it is not only inaccurate but also rather shady to frame criticisms of Rustin's apparently rather incomplete portrayal of Rustin as actually being about his sexuality, specifically. Neither of the reviews referenced in this paragraph focus on Rustin's sexuality. To me, at least, this sentence reads like an polite way of calling these critics homophobes. 2601:483:981:C40:6049:E615:7D53:616 (talk) 21:48, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

"Rustin (upcoming film)" listed at Redirects for discussion
The redirect [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Rustin_(upcoming_film)&redirect=no Rustin (upcoming film)] has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at  until a consensus is reached. Steel1943 (talk) 21:32, 27 March 2024 (UTC)