Talk:Ruth Bernhard

Her father
Pretty interesting -- a google search for lucian -lucien gets about 278,000 hits, while lucien -lucian gets about 550,000. Obviously we're not the only ones who wonder which one it actually is. --jpgordon&#8711;&#8710;&#8711;&#8710; 14:38, 30 September 2006 (UTC)


 * I think, without actually bothering to check, that Lucian is commoner in German, but Lucien is commoner overall. -- Hoary 01:19, 1 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Oh, both of those searches also include "Bernhard". --jpgordon&#8711;&#8710;&#8711;&#8710; 04:25, 1 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Ah. Well, all sorts of things are imaginable, e.g. that his real name was Lucian but that he liked to style himself Lucien. Time and memory permitting, I'll check in an authoritative German-language encyclopedia. -- Hoary 08:51, 1 October 2006 (UTC) &para; ... meanwhile, I've encountered a fairly authoritative source that consistently refers to him as "Lucien". Mysteriouser and mysteriouser. -- Hoary 11:58, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Library of Congress Authorities gives "Lucian Bernhard" (with no mention of "Lucien"). Pinkville 14:09, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

He was born Lucian but when he came to America he decided to use Lucien He thought it sounded more worldly. Ruth told me this. Artsojourner 06:07, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I'm entirely sure that's correct. However, in general, we can't use personal recollection as sources for Wikipedia; is it mentioned anywhere in any of the books about her? (And for that matter -- has anyone been reprinting Lucian's posters?) --jpgordon&#8711;&#8710;&#8711;&#8710; 07:01, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

How many arts?
We read: Bernhard studied at the Berlin Academy of Art.

Women Photographers states that she studied at "Akademie der Kunst" (singular). WP has a (flimsy) article for Akademie der Künste (plural) in Berlin. Was the singular renamed as the plural, perhaps? I don't want to guess this kind of thing. -- Hoary 12:28, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Academie der Mahler-, Bildhauer- und Architectur-Kunst (Academy of Painting, Sculpture and Architecture)(The precursor to the Akademie was founded in 1696 as Academie der Mahler-, Bildhauer- und Architectur-Kunst. In 1937, the Akademie was evicted from its traditional premises; it operation was evidently suspended. In 1950, the Deutschen Akademie der Künste in Berlin (Ost) was founded. And in 1954, the Akademie der Künste in Berlin (West) was founded. Beginning 1991 the two Akademies moved towards fusion. In 1993 they merged into one entity, the Akademie der Künste.) So singular is correct for when she was there. The history section of the en.wiki article could be quickly translated from the German version. --jpgordon&#8711;&#8710;&#8711;&#8710; 14:20, 1 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Good work! I'll edit accordingly. -- Hoary 14:29, 1 October 2006 (UTC)


 * However: Ruth Bernhard says she attended the Berliner Kunsthochschule. That's gotta be just wrong, unless ther was another such-named school pre-WWII, since the Kunsthochschule was founded in 1946. I've asked for someone at de.wiki to visit and perhaps elucidate. --jpgordon&#8711;&#8710;&#8711;&#8710; 15:05, 1 October 2006 (UTC)


 * She studied at what is now (after some mergers) called Berlin University of the Arts. The Academy kind of outsourced its school in 1931. -- Concord 23:37, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

Unnecessary links
What I've cleared out, and why: Hoary 12:28, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
 * AGNES Gallery, Birmingham, Alabama This page does not appear to provide any relevant information or images
 * National Women's Caucus for Art dead link
 * AIPAD The Association of International Photography Dealers - This site does not appear to provide any relevant information or images
 * Roots of California Photography: The Monterey Legacy National Public Radio/Video.Television - Does not appear to say anything about Bernhard