Talk:Ruth Ellen Brosseau

Occupation
Media reports claim she is a waitress. Is that hyperbole by bored reporters on the campaign trail too long? Lingust (talk) 16:13, 4 May 2011 (UTC)
 * She's at the very least an assistant bar manager - I've seen that claim in a number of separate sources. -- Ser Amantio di Nicolao Che dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 16:25, 4 May 2011 (UTC)
 * She'a a barmaid. There are a legion of sources for this and this "assistant manager" terminology is misleading.  Does she go around serving drinks?  If so, the "assistant manager" is incidental.  At a minimum it should say "assistant bar manager" not "assistant manager" which means very little.--Brian Dell (talk) 15:02, 5 May 2011 (UTC)

The archaic term "barmaid" is not used in Canada. The word is "waitress", or gender-neutral "server". 77Mike77 (talk) 11:28, 20 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Or just remove that field from the infobox altogether. Sometimes a politician's former occupation just isn't that notable. Resolute 15:12, 5 May 2011 (UTC)


 * I think her prior occupation has been reported on enough to make it notable. --Saforrest (talk) 18:05, 6 May 2011 (UTC)
 * For the article body, most certainly. But "assistant manager" is meaningless in the infobox as there is no context.  It might be useful to note in the infobox if a politician's previous occupation was lawyer, or labour leader, etc., as those could be relevant qualifications for their political career.  This, however is not. Resolute 20:52, 7 May 2011 (UTC)

She was a waitress. Nothing more. Let's not be dishonest here. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.196.82.143 (talk) 23:16, 9 May 2011 (UTC)
 * She was working as a waitress in a cocktail bar--that much is true. -Jonathunder (talk) 11:53, 10 May 2011 (UTC)


 * There should be mention of her "nickname" Ruth Ellen "Vegas" Brosseau...--Oracleofottawa (talk) 03:12, 11 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Her trip to Vegas is already noted. Wikipedia is not for things made up one day. Resolute 19:40, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

Weasel word quote
Is there a reason why this quote "Regarding her language skills, the general consensus was that she spoke in a rehearsed but presentable and legible manner with good pronunciation. While she had trouble finding the right words at times, those who heard her agreed she understood and answered questions very well." in this edit keeps on re-appearing? It's not mentioned in either the Toronto Star or Montreal Gazette article cited and clearly qualifies as weasel words. Sleetman (talk) 16:59, 18 May 2011 (UTC)

Not a weasel word quote
This sentence describing Brosseau's museum opening in her first public appearance ("although an article by the Toronto star reported that neither the museum nor the media were informed of her news conference appearance.") are not weasel words as it was quoted verbatim from the Toronto Star article here. It's also NPOV, factual and important as evidenced by the incident of the non-announcement of her appearance to the museum opening being reported in the Toronto Star and other sources, and. Sleetman (talk) 20:53, 19 May 2011 (UTC)


 * I've responded here. What do others think? CJCurrie (talk) 21:56, 19 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Sir, your comment doesn't show how it's excessive detail other than your say-so. You also say verifiability isn't the issue (I never said it was, I suggest it's more NPOV at issue here) and that it is a sufficient, but not necessary condition for inclusion...so it begs the question what is the necessary condition for a source to be included. Sleetman (talk) 15:48, 21 May 2011 (UTC)

lieu de naissance
I note that this page now lists Mme Brosseau's birthplace as Ottawa instead of Montréal? While such a claim did appear in one Globe and Mail article, it would appear to be erroneous as la gazette has repeatedly claimed her for Montréal:


 * http://www.montrealgazette.com/story_print.html?id=4782437
 * http://www.montrealgazette.com/entertainment/Vegas+Brosseau+riding+seems+willing+give+chance/4782063/story.html

as have a number of genealogy sites: 66.102.83.10 (talk) 06:03, 5 June 2011 (UTC)
 * http://www.nosorigines.qc.ca/genealogieQuebec.aspx?Genealogy=Ruth-Ellen&pid=865960&lng=en
 * http://gen-familleritchot.blogspot.com/2011/05/ruth-ellen-brosseau-la-neo-deputee-neo.html

Tone of This Article
Is there anyone who can repair this article so it's not so rude, and juvenile, in describing Mlle Brosseau? Edna H. (talk) 22:51, 20 May 2016 (UTC)

Thank you, Resolute! Edna H. (talk) 23:06, 20 May 2016 (UTC)

"Eblowgate" and subsequent slander
I do think that in the section describing "Elbowgate," there had ought to be at least some mention that much of the personal abuse launched against her in the aftermath was rooted entirely in slander (she never called it abuse, accepted Trudeau's apology and said little to the media about it afterwards). Many online trolls and cyber-bullies were simply feeding off of one another's false claims. Ms. Brosseau has worked very hard to build a solid reputation as a Member of Parliament, her reputation should not be discoloured by slander and falsehoods. - Chris Gilmore — Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.242.136.28 (talk) 09:52, 30 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Please read WP:NPOV, particularly WP:IMPARTIAL. Note that "Wikipedia describes disputes. Wikipedia does not engage in disputes." -- Millionsandbillions (talk) 17:45, 30 August 2016 (UTC)