Talk:Ruth Stout

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if someone has interest this woman busted up a saloon with Carry Nation a youtube video from i've got a secret will tell you everything thanks

The mulch - and not till - method discovering ...
(A very interessting question - at least for me - is:)

Did Ruth Stout discover this method or/and how did she get this idea. (This question could be mentioned in her books. And what when been saying ?)

Or where did she get it from, please. Thanks a lot in advance. --Visionhelp (talk) 15:37, 23 May 2020 (UTC)


 * Thanks this article - https://www.motherearthnews.com/organic-gardening/ruth-stouts-system-zmaz04fmzsel - this:

Quote (1) "Now and then I am asked (usually by an irritated expert) why I think I invented mulching. Well, naturally, I don't think so; God invented it simply by deciding to have the leaves fall off the trees once a year. I don't even think that I'm the first, or only person, who thought up my particular variety of year-round mulching, but apparently I'm the first to make a big noise about it — writing, talking, demonstrating."

Quote (2) "In the Spring of 1944, Stout decided that she wasn't going to wait for the plowman, nor was she going to plow on her own. Instead she planted the seeds and covered them, waiting to see what would happen, and discovered surprising success." --Visionhelp (talk) 15:47, 1 June 2020 (UTC) This to me is still interessting (for the history of the development of sustainable (and no till) farming) (from: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Permakultur, translated by http://free-website-translation.com/?de). Quote "The term "permanent agriculture" used in 1911, the American agricultural scientist Franklin Hiram King in a similar sense to the sustainable farming methods in China, Korea and Japan to describe." (King, Franklin Hiram. (1911), Farmers of Forty Centuries, or Permanent Agriculture in China, Korea and Japan. https://archive.org/download/farmersoffortyce00king_0/farmersoffortyce00king_0.pdf (PDF)) 29 MB; other formats archive.org details farmersfortycen00kinggoog. Alternative link: Works by Franklin Hiram King, (blocked to Germany, so without knowing, if works else). An other link: Farmers of 40 centuries) --Visionhelp (talk) 15:10, 1 June 2020 (UTC)

To External Links perhaps
An interessting External Link perhaps, please. I think. But I cannot decide this, therefor only here into the Talks. Thanks. https://www.motherearthnews.com/organic-gardening/ruth-stouts-system-zmaz04fmzsel (As pdf-download heyschermer.weebly.com/uploads/1/4/9/1/14912542/ruth_stouts_system_for_gardening_motherearthnews.pdf) --Visionhelp (talk) 10:51, 27 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Visionhelp, I very strongly feel that you should take a stab at entering this info into the article. Please get back to this talk page and we can discuss...  Gandydancer (talk) 19:13, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

Gandydancer, thanks. (I just cannot translate "take a stab", please.) But it sounds as effort. And from bad experiences - at beginning here -, I keep back to post into the articles directly. I enjoy putting my questions and ideas and knowledges just to "Talks". (I do not like talk-fights. I do not like to note and post - even WITH reliable sources - and have to see them deleted. And gone, and this "Talk" then here with.  But I have to admit, I did newbees mistakes, and can have been taken as offending, spam, but the content was clearly ignored !
 * (EMs and the claims of the manufacturer of their brand-name(s) and the sources of where this brand-names are listed in. This happened in the german and in the english article, and is more than just disappointing.) --Visionhelp (talk) 12:34, 29 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi there. Take a stab at it translates to "take a try at it."  Anyway, thanks for the info and I did add a short section.  Let me know what you think.  BTW, I was surprised to find that at least about 80 people a day are still reading this article!  (Also BTW, I've used the Stout method all my life in many gardens both very large and small.)  Gandydancer (talk) 23:59, 29 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi. I am amazed. (And 80 readers a day. Wow.)
 * In Facebook ´Back to Eden Gardening Method Group´ it is about a 4 layers principle - in the main long term but not only; no till; but and use what You have when You have. Sadnessly in parts it seems to be not so amusing there doubting the benefit of the BTE ´discoverer´ Paul Gautschi; but his work is bringing it into the world - Ruth Stout is sometimes mentioned.)
 * (Thanks "take a try at it" and the in other words.) --Visionhelp (talk) 15:03, 30 May 2020 (UTC)
 * The source is the Mother Earth News article which you suggested. I read her first book back in the 70's when so many of us hippy-types began to garden.  I lived in Minnesota and could get all the spoiled hay I wanted for free.  I never tilled, used any manure or any artificial fertilizer, or anything else, and fed our family of four with what I produced.  Gandydancer (talk) 15:20, 30 May 2020 (UTC)

Ah. OK. I have to read it entire. I saw the (References)(10) You do note to. Ah, ´our hippy times´. You did not read about dung in her book in the 70´s ? Wow, self-sustaining. Wow. Then this link (Mother Earth News) now is there as the (References)(10) ? Ah. Great. Thank You. --Visionhelp (talk) 03:37, 7 June 2020 (UTC)

Visionhelp spamming this talk-page
Visionhelp is spamming this talk-page. This talk-page is about improvements to the article. Visionhelp has not edited the article. Please do not use this talk-page as a forum WP:NOTFORUM. Edit the article if you want to make improvements, please stop dumping loads and loads of text here. Psychologist Guy (talk) 11:05, 12 September 2020 (UTC)


 * So why not talking with me, and I could reduce what one labels as spam. THIS kicks me off of working still anything at wikipedia. I did note many important and correct - single details - things, which now are just gone. (PERHAPS 2 topics MAYBE some dis-placed, but call it ´SPAM´: NO, THANK YOU, wikipedia). This is not the way I can work ... But now Ruth Stout at last finding her honour for Gardening even in wikipedia, this just is worth the price.
 * --Visionhelp (talk) 14:45, 12 September 2020 (UTC)


 * You have no productive edits in the main space of Wikipedia for Ruth Stout. If we look at your account you have been posting chunks of text to Ruth Stout's talk-page over a period of many months, this is the very definition of spam because much of it has nothing to do with her Wikipedia article. This is not the purpose of Wikipedia. If you want to improve the Ruth Stout's Wikipedia article then go ahead and edit it. Sure this talk-page can be used to make suggestions but not what you have been doing. This is not a talk-page used for your data dump collection and original research. Another editor told you to edit the article but you refused. If you continue to misuse this talk-page I will report your account and you may be blocked. This is the worst case of talk-page abuse I have seen in a while. Psychologist Guy (talk) 15:40, 12 September 2020 (UTC)


 * Just to point out all the material you have been dumping on this talk-page was not deleted. Nothing is deleted on Wikipedia. It is still accessible in the history . Maybe you want to move all that to your sandbox, but it does not belong here. Psychologist Guy (talk) 15:48, 12 September 2020 (UTC)


 * Very sorry. There are many single points, which do belong to Ruth Stout, but with lots of effort.
 * And I have just done the questions ...
 * Putting it to my sandbox, I had as idea, but whith which effort. This already all is not less work. And this ignoring the points BELONGING to Ruth Stout, and just put it off of public in wikipedia, despite of many do not know the "Talk" pages at all, is just: BAAH. Sorry. (Chunks: phhh)
 * My biggest interesst, Ruth Stout in the Garden and Horticulture section of wikipedia, honour who honour deserves, now did happen. (What about Agriculture, Organic Farming ? Ah, ´Organic Farming´ in the article page.)
 * --Visionhelp (talk) 16:12, 12 September 2020 (UTC)
 * What I really do is edit and edit after edit, for just little things. Because I give what I have, and do not collect it, and then post it just as one post. When ready, if EVER. (The same way as I understand wikipedia also all in all.)
 * --Visionhelp (talk) 16:25, 12 September 2020 (UTC)


 * Sorry, wikipedia. My "Talks" here are all about Ruth Stout. They are a bit un-structured and un-overviewable. This to do better is possible, I was in progress at it. But nobody took part in, except one short, but kind. So I was doing it alone. OK.
 * This is a "Talk" page. This is what I do. Now it is called "chunk" and "spam". (And not quite easy now to find this all deleted from public. Here the link, to all not easy to find now, https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Ruth_Stout&diff=977991415&oldid=977927828)
 * I call this vandalism.
 * Even an idea for creating a books ´section´, with the important sayings (quotations) of a book, is related to Ruth Stout.
 * Only my connection of Nitrification with animal´s manure (dung) and wood chips (mulch) is worth an own article, which I try to keep me off from, from reasons I did say here already.
 * My link to Allan Savory is a proof, that manure (dung) works making soil rich (to humus).
 * And even the last, (absent better possibility: here, please) Water Self Providing Gardening, Farming, does scientifically explain, what and why this works this way.
 * Where or how can I note to this offending, please ? Thank You.
 * (This is just boykotting my work and continuing the progress. Of "improvements to the article". But into the work of the author I do not want to touch in. This I call usual(ly) respect.)
 * OK. Sorry. The revelation of Nitrification with manure (dung) and wood chips (mulch) has come to ME, so is by me. If not anybody else had it already, too, and did publish it. That I just could cite it.
 * Visionhelp (talk) 06:54, 13 September 2020 (UTC)